[Question #10062] Do you think that's herpes? Do I need a test?

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26 months ago
Hi Doc Warren, I'm in a monogamous relationship for a year, and my last sexual contact was with my previous girlfriend about 2 years ago prior to my current relationship start date. I got scabies by wearing a short of a friend that had crusted scabies due to his suppressed immune system caused by the medications for his kidney transplant around 6 months ago. Me and my girlfriend both used Permethrin cream for treatment. We don't live together, but we spend most of our times together. After the treatment, I experienced a wide range of post scabies symptoms including big nodules around my groin, buttocks, and genital area. I applied tea tree oil on them and with time they went away. However, I noticed two more nodules at the tip of my penis probably a week ago. I didn't feel any pain or tingling priorly. When they came up, I felt itching around the tip of my penis without any pain like the first time. After a couple of days, the spots broke open and got oozed fluid out of them probably because of irritation of the skin due to masturbation etc. like the first time. Currently the itching and the spots are almost gone with a slight scarring at the tip. ı do have cold sores since childhood. Do you think its HSV-2 ? I never had an outbreak before not that I noticed. If I had something similar to this, I would've definitely noticed it. 
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26 months ago
I do not know if my girlfriend has HSV-2, but we haven't engaged in sexual activities (meaning insertive vaginal, anal or oral, frottage and oral might be possible can't remember) prior to our scabies episode due to some other issues. So I can be confident that my current girlfriend did not give me HSV-2. She told me that she had a HPV episode back in the day, but I don't know if its cured or not since my knowledge on HPV is limited. I got tested for HEP B&C,  Syphilis (by VDRL/RPR I specify this because of the different accuracy rates of the test, but Dr. Hook had assured me that the VDRL test is accurate at two year mark.) and HIV. All of them were negative before starting out relationship.
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
26 months ago
Interesting.  I think this is a situation where an IgG test for HSV 2 would actually be recommended.  or a herpes western blot for greatest accuracy.  You symptoms are concerning to me.  I'm wondering how exactly you were diagnosed with scabies - was it a visual exam or was scraping done for the tracks?  When you say big nodules, can you be a bit more specific about that?  I look forward to your answers.

Terri
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26 months ago
Thank you for the response doc. I’ll be glad to further explain my situation. I got scabies from a friend of mine. I’d wore a short of his while he had crusted scabies (we didn’t know) due to his suppressed immune system caused by his kidney transplant. No scrapes were done. I applied two doses of permethrin after hearing my friends case, and I had bad rashes between my thighs during that time as well.

Me and my girlfriend both did the treatment. I have a very atopic skin, so I experienced a wide range of post scabies symptoms like continuing rashes, red, sometimes dark colored stiff nodules between my thighs, on my buttocks, and groin area. I read extensively on the nodular scabies and how it can persist long after treatment due to an overreaction from the immune system. The nodules I talk about were mostly on my testicles. Again, stiff to the touch, without scabing and itchy spots. I also had similar ones on my penis, but they decreased with time. I didn’t infect my girlfriend after treatment so I am confident that I’m cured. I also developed eczemas on my hands and feet afterwards and I’m still dealing with them. 
Since the genital skin is a lot more sensitive and thin, nodules could happen for a long time I think. I didn’t have any problems before my permethrin treatment. 

Why do you think that my symptoms are concerning? Could you explain it a little more?
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26 months ago
Hi again doc, I'd like to apologize for repeating myself in my answer. I must have forgotten that I gave you the details on how I got scabies, but I think it was still useful to dig a little bit deeper. In addition to that, I think it is important that I should give you a bit of background on my sexual history for a better diagnosis.
As I mentioned, my last relationship was 2 years prior to my current relationship. It was during the covid times so we couldn't see each other too much. We never engaged in penetrative sex with or without a condom. There was frottage and genital rubbing (without condom, but it probably happened around 10 times total) . I once tried to penetrate without a condom, but I don't think it happened otherwise I would know. She never complained about having genital herpes, and never told me she had an outbreak during our relationship. After the relationship ended, I asked her about her STD status, and she told me that she never got tested, but she would always use condoms and I believe her because even if we didn't engage in penetrative sex, she had bought a packet of condoms just in case. 
Before all that, I never had a penetrative sexual experience. I had another girlfriend in college, I performed mostly oral on her, and I already have herpes around my mouth. She also performed oral on me on several occasions. 
I am leaving a link to a picture of my symptoms. If it is against site policies, I am sorry. 
Link: https://imgur.com/a/bHEGRna
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
26 months ago
Well, that is all very helpful indeed, and it decreases my feeling that you need an HSV 2 antibody test.  When people tell me they have spots on their penis and they open and ooze, I surely get concerned about HSV.  But your sexual history doesn't sound terribly risky.  Condoms reduce transmission from women to men so condoms are definitely not perfect, but they are useful.    I can't say with certainty that you don't have HSV but it seems a lot less likely given your sexual history.

Terri
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26 months ago
Thank you doc. As I stated, my sexual history is limited to only two people. Even though that does not eliminate the risk completely, it decreases the possibility a lot I believe. I also read that the herpes lesions don't usually appear on the tip, but rather around the shaft and genital area. During my scabies healing phase, nodules on my testicles and shaft did not break open and ooze fluid. That also adds to the possibility of them not being herpes I believe. They were like tiny stiff balls which is not characteristic of herpes. 
Also, I do have somewhat visible scars from the previous nodules at the tip of my penis. From what I understand, herpes lesions do not leave any scarring after they heal. My current lesions are almost completely healed except some redness. It took around 7-9 days like my previous episodes. I think that they will too leave a pale visible scaring. This too, suggests that they are not herpes lesions I think.
Do you think that if these were herpes, would I feel any type of pain from them during this time? Me and my girlfriend engaged in mutual masturbation and  heavy frottage a couple of days ago when was the first days of these lesions were forming, and I did not feel any type of pain at all. Maybe it was the reason why the nodules broke off and oozed due to irritation. Again. I did not feel any pain during and after the act. If they ever appear again, I will make sure to get them checked out. But for now, what I understood from your replies is that my chances of having herpes is miniscule and I can move on. 
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
26 months ago
Thank you for more detail on this.  I agree that your chances of having HSV is minuscule and you can move on.

Terri
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