[Question #10143] Condom broke with CSW
25 months ago
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Hello, on July 3rd I had met with a CSW which she performed unprotected oral then we proceeded with protected sex. Within 5-6 seconds of sex the condom broke at the top. I realized this instantly and pulled out and then washed myself with soap and water. That ended the meeting right there, totally messed with my mind. This happened here in Michigan, she was from the Dominican Republic I believe. She seem to be a little more upscale and the hotel was very nice as well. I asked if she is clean and she said "yes" and she only has protected sex. At this point... what is the best plan of action? I most worried about HIV at this point. Thank you!!!
25 months ago
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I should also mention, I am 41 and white. Divorced with 2 kids... but my ex and I still will have sex from time to time. Unprotected.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
25 months ago
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Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your confidence in our services.
I really wouldn't be worried about these events, especially in regard to HIV, for which there was little if any risk. Based on your description, it seems unlikely your partner has HIV; and even if she does, I would consider this a very close to zero risk event. If condom failure "at the top" means the rim and upper area covering your penile shaft, there definitely was little or no risk; as long as the head of the penis and urethral head are covered, condom protection is considered complete. The brevity of exposure after the breakage also suggests low risk. And even with entirely unprotected vaginal sex for several minutes to completion, the average risk for the male partner of an HIV infected woman is estimated (by CDC) at one in 2,500.
As for oral sex, that's truly zero risk or nearly so: there has never been a generally accepted, scientifically confirmed case of HIV transmitted oral to penis. Based on how some people believe they were infected -- which often is wrong -- CDC's calculation is one in 20,000. That's equivalent to receiving BJs by infected partners once daily for 55 years before transmission might be likely. In other words, zero for all practical purposes.
Although HIV is your main concern, you are at greater risk for other STDs, in particular gonorrhea from the oral exposure, and herpes and syphilis from the partial condom failure. Absence of symptoms in the next few days (for gonorrhea or herpes) and 2-3 weeks for syphilis will be good but not absolute reassurance. So you might want to consider a urine gonorrhea test (valid any time more than 2-3 days after exposure) and perhaps a syphilis blood test in a few weeks. And since you're concerned about HIV, probably you should have an HIV AgAb (4th generation) blood test after 6 weeks, although your risk is so low that I would consider this optional. In the meantime, stay mellow: you are at very low risk for any of these infections.
I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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25 months ago
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Thank you for responding with your knowledge Dr. Handsfield, your words and my research do make my stress level not be as high. When it comes down to how the condom broke, I would say that the top was exposed... hard to remember to be honest. I was in freak mode and rushing all about to the bathroom. At this point, would it be safe to say to a
25 months ago
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One more question Doctor... there IS no need for me to start pep correct? Thank you
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
25 months ago
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I'm wondering if you're using condom "top" different than I am. To me, top does not include the head of the penis. But even if the head might have been exposed, you describe a partner who -- for several reasons -- almost certainly does not have HIV. If I were in that situation, personally I would not seek PEP. However PEP decisions are in the hands only of the patient and an HIV knowledgeable provider. PEP decisions need the input of a provider who understands local HIV epidemiology and risks and can counsel the patient in person about pros and cons, so you'll need to be seen in person to discuss the pros and cons. However, you're nearly too late already: PEP must be started within 72 hours of exposure.
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If you're sufficiently worried about HIV that you're considering PEP, you're in a difficult ethical position about sex with your partner. How would you feel if you were in her position and later learned you were so concerned about having HIV that you were in treatment or even considering PEP? And didn't tell her? Even with condoms, that would be a dicey situation, don't you think? Don't get me wrong: I think there is no chance you have HIV. However, you could have another STD; you might have your gonorrhea/chlamydia test result by this weekend, but won't know for sure about syphilis (or HIV) for a few more weeks. The chances are low but not zero.
6-7 days is early for HIV RNA testing. A negative result would be no more than 50% reliable. This also is something to discuss with your personal HIV provider if see someone to discuss PEP.
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25 months ago
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When I mean "TOP" its would be the head of the penis was partly exposed. I guess at this point I will not be having any sex with my partner until I am testing negative. Ill wait til the 10 day mark of what the test says on the Quest website. But in all from what I am reading from past answers and the fact I am not seeing anyone on this site or others that they have contracted HIV from a broken condom with 2-3 seconds in the vagina.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
25 months ago
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Correct, nobody on this forum in your situation has turned out to have acquired HIV. In fact, there has never been a user who later informed us they had tested positive for HIV -- that's in nearly 20 years of this and our preceding forum, with thousands of questions from people worried about HIV risk after a sexual exposure. If and when that finally happens, undoubtedly it will be from a genuinely high risk exposure (e.g. anal sex with a known infected partner or something similar), and not a very low risk exposure like yours.---
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25 months ago
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Thank you again Doctor. Your doing a great service doing what you do.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
25 months ago
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Thanks for the thanks. I'm glad to have helped. Take care and stay safe.---