[Question #10236] DR HANSFIELD PLEASE HELP - AYTPICAL SYMPTOMS

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24 months ago

I met a guy and gave him a hand job. I then masturbated myself with the same hand that I masturbated him with. His scrotum had 2 pimples that were far apart from each other (maybe 2 inches far apart) on the front part of the scrotum. I did not touch it. As I am uncertain that they were pimples, I am concerned that I have gave myself genital herpes. 2 days after the encounter I felt: Muscle twitching in the quads, thighs, buttocks, calves. Scrotum tingling – between 5 – 15 times per day lasting for 5 seconds each. Other symptoms felt occasionally (i.e. few times only) over 35 days: Sharpish pain in the pubic area (next to the base of penis). Throbbing sensation inside the scrotum. Pain inside penis head. My concern is that I never felt scrotum tingling (and other symptoms) in my whole entire life. However, 2/3 days after the encounter I feel them! The timing of it suggests herpes to me, and I didn’t even feel anxious about the encounter (only minimal guilt). My questions are (Note: I have zero lesions whatsoever): Can herpes cause scrotum tingling? It has been 35 days now, and I still feel it! Can herpes cause occasional throbbing inside scrotum, sharpish pain in pubic area, slight pain inside penis head? Can herpes cause prodrome symptoms for 35 days? Someone mentioned I could have herpes, but my immune system is fighting it, hence no outbreak. How possible is this? Can a primary herpes infection cause tingling? Can these symptoms really be psychological? 

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Edward W. Hook M.D.
24 months ago
Welcome to our forum. FYI, Dr. Handsfield and I share that forum and answer questions randomly. In working together for over 40 years Dr. Handsfield and I have never differed in the facts of our recommendations to clients.

The encounter you describe, was absolutely no risk for any STI and your symptoms, and no way or suggestive of herpes or any other STI. The “pimples” on the scrotum of your partner were likely cysts which are common in that location.  Herpes is not acquired through the sort of hand to genital contact that you describe, nor is the herpes virus transferred from one person to another on someone’s hands.  Symptoms such as some of those you describe, do not occur in the absence of lesions.  Other symptoms that you describe are not the least bit suggestive of herpes. For instance genital herpes does not cause muscle twitching, nor does it cause tingling that comes and goes.

In answer to your other questions, herpes prodromal symptoms typically last hours not days and would certainly not occur for 35 days.

The symptoms you describe, are most typical and most suggestive of anxiety, perhaps related to your concern over your partner’s lesions. Please put your concerns away. I see no reason for concern and certainly no reason for testing.

 I hope the information I have provided will be helpful to you so that you can move forward without continuing concerns. EWH 
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24 months ago
Hello dr Hook,

Thank you very much for the reassurance. I feel 90 per cent reassured however I have a few questions to provide me with the remaining 10 per cent of reassurance.

1) My scrotum tingling occurred 3 days after the encounter. Does primary herpes cause tingling (without lesions)? 

2) My scrotum tingling is bilateral and has been ongoing for 35 days. Does this mean I can also exclude prodrome ? 

3) Someone mentioned to me that tingling is a result of the virus trying to break through the skin but not succeeding due to my immune system - hence constant attempts of the virus to cause blisters, not succeed, but produce constant tingling as a result. How possible is this? 

4) I have never felt tingling my whole entire life until 3 days after the encounter. It doesn't feel magnified - it feels very strong and obvious. Can anxiety produce real psychomatic symptoms? 

5) Is there a possibility that I have atypical herpes which can cause constant tingling etc? Or is it impossible for herpes to behave differently than usual? 

7) When people get infected with primary herpes, is it true that they can be asymptomatic or do they always have symptoms (just mild and unnoticed). I have not had any lesions in 35 days (inspecting diligently). Does this mean I am guaranteed to not have herpes? 
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
24 months ago
I am glad that you found my initial response is reassuring. I hope that my follow ups will allow you to be completely confident that you were not at risk for any STI related to the encounter you’ve described, hear my responses:

1.  Tingling or other abnormal sensations may proceed the appearance of herpes lesions buy a few hours, but isolated, tingling, particularly tingling, which comes and goes this you describe, is not at all suggestive of herpes.

2.  Absolutely.

3.  Whomever suggested this to you is completely off base. This is not a possibility.

4.  Yes. It is not at all uncommon for anxiety to result in persons becoming aware of sensations that they would otherwise overlook, and then to amplify those sensations.

5.  No. There is no reason whatsoever to think that you are experiencing an atypical outbreak of herpes from your no risk encounter.

7.  About 25 to 30% of person to acquire genital herpes may acquire the infection without experiencing an outbreak that they are aware of. Whether an outbreak occurs and does unnoticed or this is truly asymptomatic acquisition of infection is unknown.

Once again, you are worried entirely too much about the encounter you’ve described, as well as the possibility of herpes. Your partner’s lesions sound in no way like herpes, and the symptoms you have experienced are likewise in no way suggestive of herpes. I assure you with complete confidence that this is not herpes. EWH.

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24 months ago

Hello Dr Hook,

I have spoke to a urologist online who suggests that I may have pudendal neuralgia (no examination or anything was done). I have read your comments and have understood that herpes cannot cause symptoms etc. However, I was just wondering if pudendal neuralgia is a rare complication of herpes that has a different manifestation and therefore can cause all of my symptoms? Or does the same principle apply that pudendal neuralgia cannot happen in the absence of lesions? Are pudendal neuralgia and herpes even related at all? I have no medical knowledge on pudendal neuralgia. 1) I forgot to mention that I gave a blowjob before giving a hand job and then masturbating myself with the same hand. Does this (my saliva) increase the risk of transferring HSV from his genitals to my hand to my genitals or is the risk still nil? I am guessing the risk is still nil but thought to double check with an expert like yourself since I forgot to mention a large aspect. I have been tested for oral stds and they are negative. 2) I have come to understand that a primary herpes infection usually occurs where the virus was rubbed in. Since I didn’t even touch my scrotum during the sexual encounter, is this further proof that primary herpes cannot be the cause of my scrotum tingling (prodrome has already been excluded due to the bilateral nature of symptoms).

I would like to thank you deeply for the assessment you have provided me. Thank you for the hard work and contribution you have made to the field! You have helped me psychologically enormously and I really appreciate your input. I would have been so lost without your expertise. Thank you again!

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Edward W. Hook M.D.
24 months ago
Both genital herpes and herpes zoster ( shingles) are in the long list of problems associated withpudendal neuralgia, along with diabetes, multiple sclerosis, spinal arthritis and many, many other problems.   I am not an expert on pudendal neuralgia and would suggest you see a urologist in person to understand more about this problem and its management.  That does not change the fact that, even with the additional information you provide, that there is no risk that you acquired herpes through the interaction you have described.  

Herpes is not spread through transfer of saliva in the manner you describe.  I really see no evidence that you acquired herpes from the interaction you describe.  

As you know, we provide up to three responses to each client’s questions.  Therefore, this thread will be closed shortly.  If you have further questions about herpes, I recommend that you ask Terri Warren who answers about herpes.  EWH 
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