[Question #10295] Hiv false positive follow-up
24 months ago
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Had to delete a previous thread bc I accidentally included personal details. In summary:
Pregnant 35/f, monogamous for 6-7 years, same with hub. Since last partner or any risk behavior, have had four 4th gen HIV tests, all negative. Husband has had a few for work, all negative. No risky behavior since.
In my recent prenatal screening, I shockingly tested positive for p24 antigen. The confirmatory antibody test and qualitative RNA test were both negative.
-I am having a difficult time accepting that this was a false positive and my clinicians are not answering me. I have read some reports of RNA undetectable (qual) individuals still having HIV, and have read about elite controllers etc.
-question 1: what are the chances that I am among this RNA undetected, neg antibodies, but HIV positive cohort with 0 risk factors for 6-7 years?
-2: can I stop testing?
-3: this has happened multiple times at my women’s clinic this month- 4 false positives amongst other patients. False positives are associated with a number of frightening conditions, but no one wants to test for any because this seems like a lab error. What would you do if this happened to your wife or daughter?
I apologize for follow-up questions. No one from my obgyn can be reached or has called me to talk about the results and I’m alone in dealing with this. I literally found out from my email at midnight
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
24 months ago
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Welcome back to the forum. I suspect you already know the answer to at least the first two questions that you ask. You have proven with your follow up PCR test that your earlier P 24 antigen test was falsely positive. You could be absolutely sure of this, and do not need further testing. In response to your specific questions:
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1. Possibility that you have undetectable HIV RNA, Undetectable HIV antibodies and still have HIV is zero. Elite controllers still have positive test for HIV. The HIVRNA PCR test is the gold standard for detection of HIV. You are low risk for infection, you have tested negative, and need to except that you are not infected. I realize that you were concerned, not only for yourself for your unborn child, but I can assure you that you do not have HIV.
2. At this point, there is no medical or scientific reasoning reason for continuing to test.
3. While there are a long list of conditions associated with falsely positive HIV and other blood tests, most people with false positive tests, do not have other diagnoses which explain them. Unless there is another illness or clues to suggest another diagnosis I would not encourage you to pursue additional testing for other diseases. Further laboratory testing will only lead to more condition and sustain your anxiety.
Please don’t worry. Accept that you had bad luck and a falsely positive test and work to move forward. EWH
24 months ago
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Thank you so much. It’s a difficult time as I’m coping with severe OCD and off Lexapro for the duration of the pregnancy.
I cannot think if any interfering diseases, but read that liver disease may cause interference. 12 years ago I had a grade 4 liver laceration which healed completely though angioembolization. I was an alcoholic around this time, but stopped drinking etc many, many years ago and my LFTs are incredibly good, some of the damage markers even low-normal. My family doctor is unconcerned and maintains I would have elevated LFTs if something was wrong, and suggested I stop testing LFTs or do so less often. I do have fleeting RUQ pain which he attributes to gallbladder sludge. Otherwise, I cannot think of any interfering factors. Unless you state otherwise, I will not investigate any causes as it is bad for my mental state.
Thank you for helping me out of this. It’s such bad luck, I think this must be a test to help me overcome my health anxiety.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
24 months ago
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A liver laceration 4 years ago would NOT predispose you to false positive HIV p24 tests. Really!!
I hope my comments are helpful
EWH
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24 months ago
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Thank you. I meant more about the abuse to my liver during that time but it seems I’ve recovered. Since I have another response left, perhaps you can answer about this weird result in my prenatal lab. I’m vaccinated for hep b when I was young.
Hbsag negative, Hbsag quant .3
<0.90: Negative >=1.00: Positive
Why is the quant .3 and not 0? Is this meaningful or just something from the vaccine many years ago?
24 months ago
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I hit send prematurely. Let me put this all together so it's easier to answer:
1) petrified I received a blood transfusion after my car accident 12 years ago, but have been told by family I did not. Does this change your assessment of my HIV risk? I would have had 5+ negative HIV tests since
2) also afraid that I got HBIG after a potential sexual assault in 2011. I didn't see it on the ER paperwork & it's not policy to administer HBIG in this situation, so this is likely OCD. Does this change your assessment of my HIV risk?
3) Could receipt of HBIG or a blood transfusion cause a false p24 12 years later? (had 5+ negative HIV tests in interim)
4) This was on my prenatal lab as well:
Hbsag negative, Hbsag quant .3
<0.90: Neg >=1.00: Pos
Why is the quant .3 and not 0? Is this meaningful or just something from the vaccine years ago? (I was vaccinated, titer 26)
I am so sorry...I know anxiety-driven questions are vexing to you both & I will resume lexapro the second the baby is out. I am in therapy and am deeply struggling with the anxiety from this false positive & fear for my baby
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
24 months ago
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I'm sorry you are having trouble moving forward. As you know, this will be the final response as part of this thread. There should be no need for further questions.
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With normal lab tests, you can be confident that your liver has recovered. The body and the liver in particular, has remarkable recovery properties.
Regarding your specific questions:
1) petrified I received a blood transfusion after my car accident 12 years ago, but have been told by family I did not. Does this change your assessment of my HIV risk? I would have had 5+ negative HIV tests since
Even if you did get a transfusion and if it's not in your medical record you can be confident you did not, the blood supply is safe and it has been decades since somepone got HIV or hepatitis B from a blood transfusion. I suspect that you know intellectually that this is not a realistic concern.
2) also afraid that I got HBIG after a potential sexual assault in 2011. I didn't see it on the ER paperwork & it's not policy to administer HBIG in this situation, so this is likely OCD. Does this change your assessment of my HIV risk?
I agree- this is your OCD speaking. HBIG is not and has never ben a routine part of post-sexual assault care. If it had been give, it would be on the record.
3) Could receipt of HBIG or a blood transfusion cause a false p24 12 years later? (had 5+ negative HIV tests in interim)
Absolutely not!!\
4) This was on my prenatal lab as well:
Hbsag negative, Hbsag quant .3
<0.90: Neg >=1.00: Pos
Why is the quant .3 and not 0? Is this meaningful or just something from the vaccine years ago? (I was vaccinated, titer 26)
All laboratory have low numerical values for their negative tests. In fact, if the value had been zero, I would have that concerning. The low value is part of the chemistry of the tests.
Please try to put your unwarranted, likely OCD-driven fears aside. Stay off the internet and move forward.
This will complete this thread. Please no more follow-ups. You are out of the woods. EWH