[Question #10492] Related follow-up question
22 months ago
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Hello, this is a follow-up question to my last one (I actually thought I still had one follow-up in that question order, but I guess it closes after a certain time period).
My wife continues to experience symptoms, but they are not constant. The cottage cheese-like discharge cleared up and never came back (she also started drinking cranberry juice) and things seemed to be essentially normal for a while (though her previous itching persisted from time to time I think). However, it seems shortly after we have sex (which at the moment is only about once/twice monthly within a couple day period), she gets some discomfort again - though no cottage cheese discharge. A little bit of a feeling of irritation, maybe even a slight burning (but *not* burning with urination) inside her vagina. She also sometimes notices a little bit of bleeding. These symptoms seem to happen for a few days (though sometimes last a little longer) and then gradually get better for most of the rest of the month.
I am wondering if anything changes with regards to your analysis? The "coming and going" nature of the symptoms make me think it's not std related, but I'm no expert.
It was always my intention to use what I thought was one more follow-up in the previous thread, so this can be seen as that.
My wife continues to experience symptoms, but they are not constant. The cottage cheese-like discharge cleared up and never came back (she also started drinking cranberry juice) and things seemed to be essentially normal for a while (though her previous itching persisted from time to time I think). However, it seems shortly after we have sex (which at the moment is only about once/twice monthly within a couple day period), she gets some discomfort again - though no cottage cheese discharge. A little bit of a feeling of irritation, maybe even a slight burning (but *not* burning with urination) inside her vagina. She also sometimes notices a little bit of bleeding. These symptoms seem to happen for a few days (though sometimes last a little longer) and then gradually get better for most of the rest of the month.
I am wondering if anything changes with regards to your analysis? The "coming and going" nature of the symptoms make me think it's not std related, but I'm no expert.
It was always my intention to use what I thought was one more follow-up in the previous thread, so this can be seen as that.
22 months ago
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I should also mention, re: any bleeding. It doesn't happen every time, and when it does it usually isn't immediate, taking a day or two (maybe more) to be present.
Finally, I still never had any symptoms of any std myself, though from what I understand I could of course still have one. Do you think I should get tested at this point, or would my body have cleared anything long ago?
Finally, I still never had any symptoms of any std myself, though from what I understand I could of course still have one. Do you think I should get tested at this point, or would my body have cleared anything long ago?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
22 months ago
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Welcome back to the forum. As you surmised, threads indeed are closed after 4 weeks, or after two follow-up comments and replies, whichever comes first. Your previous thread is more than three months old.
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I read that discussion with Dr. Hook and agree with all he said. There are several common causes of vaginal discharge in women, and most of the time no STD is involved. Your description of your wife's discharge, and the irritation/itching she has experienced from time to time, are most consistent with a vaginal yeast infection. Vaginal yeast symptoms often are a bit worse following sex -- friction etc can be irritating. Yeast is just about the most common overall cause of vaginal complaints, and probably 80-90% of all women experience vagina yeast infections from time to time. There are other possibilities as well, and often there is no infection of any kind. Depending on her age (maybe approaching menopause), falling estrogen levels might be responsible.
The single most important part of Dr. Hook's advice was that your wife see a gynecologist for evaluation of her symptoms. Presumably you haven't done that or you would have said something about it. So that is my current advice as well. Until and unless she is professionally evaluated, there's really nothing more this forum can offer to sort things out.
I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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22 months ago
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Thank you for your response. First, about the gyno - she tried to make an appointment in late summer, but he was away on holiday. Then, as luck would have it, he was quite ill for some time after he returned, so was not seeing patients. The office was supposed to phone recently but never did. We will, of course, keep trying.
I guess it was the addition of the bit of bleeding that concerned me, as I know that's a common symptoms of gonorrhea, for instance.
So -
1. The bleeding could be from the irritation of whatever causing her discomfort - not necessarily an std, correct? Along those lines she mentioned today that urinating caused a little bit of stinging in the area, but that she felt it was probably because the skin was sensitive due to the irritation.
2. Would you see a need or recommendation that I get tested - a urine test for gonorrhea and chlamydia? As I say, I've had no symptoms whatsoever (but understand there is the theoretical chance).
Thank you!
I guess it was the addition of the bit of bleeding that concerned me, as I know that's a common symptoms of gonorrhea, for instance.
So -
1. The bleeding could be from the irritation of whatever causing her discomfort - not necessarily an std, correct? Along those lines she mentioned today that urinating caused a little bit of stinging in the area, but that she felt it was probably because the skin was sensitive due to the irritation.
2. Would you see a need or recommendation that I get tested - a urine test for gonorrhea and chlamydia? As I say, I've had no symptoms whatsoever (but understand there is the theoretical chance).
Thank you!
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
22 months ago
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1) The symptoms of almost every lower genital (vulvar, vaginal etc) disorders in women overlap all causes, including the symptoms of STDs. There is absolutely no way from the information now available to speculate on the likelihood that an STD is responsible except by judging possible risks and exposures. From what I recall from your previous threads, that risk is minimal at this time, especially if your wife is not having extramarital sexual exposures. So I would say the chance an STD is an explanation is extremely low.
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2) I don't recall your non marital sexual risks recently. If you've had no sex with anyone else since you last had negative testing for gonorrhea, chlamydia and trichomonas, I see no need for you to be tested; that can wait until your wife has been evaluated. But if you are potentially at risk since last tested, it would be reasonable for you to be tested now.
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22 months ago
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Thank you for the response.
Re: my risk factor - I have had 2 sexual episodes outside my marriage (we are in an open relationship, though she has not had other partners yet) in the past year and a half. In August of 2022, and then in late November of 2022. Both were protected sex, except for the oral, which was not protected. From everything I have read of your answers to others, it would seem very unlikely that in the absence of any symptoms that I would have caught anything.
On that topic, I am curious about the discrepancy in what is suggested here about the likelihood of being an asymptomatic carrier of something like gonorrhea, and almost literally every other website online, including the cdc and other doctors, many of whom suggest it's very common to show no symptoms, saying upwards of 10%, maybe even up to 40% of carriers show no symptoms. This is not to suggest you are wrong obviously, so I am more curious about how the difference between what other doctors say and your conclusions developed.
Finally, I went for an std urine test today, and I should have those results in a couple days. Hopefully, they will all be negative!
Re: my risk factor - I have had 2 sexual episodes outside my marriage (we are in an open relationship, though she has not had other partners yet) in the past year and a half. In August of 2022, and then in late November of 2022. Both were protected sex, except for the oral, which was not protected. From everything I have read of your answers to others, it would seem very unlikely that in the absence of any symptoms that I would have caught anything.
On that topic, I am curious about the discrepancy in what is suggested here about the likelihood of being an asymptomatic carrier of something like gonorrhea, and almost literally every other website online, including the cdc and other doctors, many of whom suggest it's very common to show no symptoms, saying upwards of 10%, maybe even up to 40% of carriers show no symptoms. This is not to suggest you are wrong obviously, so I am more curious about how the difference between what other doctors say and your conclusions developed.
Finally, I went for an std urine test today, and I should have those results in a couple days. Hopefully, they will all be negative!
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
22 months ago
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This is a topic I know something about: here is a link to a rather famous research report that still is widely cited in the medical literature nearly 50 years after publication. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4202519/.
The proportion of STIs that are asymptomatic can indeed be confusing. You have triggered another of my occasional blog-like replies for potential use in event of similar questions in the future.
What proportion of new urethral gonorrhea in men causes no symptoms? Around 1% or lower. However, for any treatable medical condition, those with symptoms tend to be treated promptly, leaving behind those without symptoms. Therefore at any point in time, maybe 10% or even 20% of urethral gonorrhea in males can be asymptomatic. It's further complicated by when men are tested, i.e. how long after they were infected: some infections start out without symptoms but have symptoms later. Others are the opposite: early symptoms that clear up over time. Then consider anatomic site: half of rectal infections are asymptomatic, oral gonorrhea almost always. Women are much more likely than men to have asymptomatic genital gonorrhea. Similar considerations apply to chlamydia, but the proportion without symptoms is a lot higher than for gonorrhea. For new urethral infection in men, probably 20-30% have no symptoms or such minor ones they pay no attention; and in the population, around half of all infections at any time are asymptomatic. On top of all this, consider who is being studied. If a research project seeks to determine the prevalence of infection in persons who say they have no symptoms, almost all infections are asymptomatic (duh). But how many of those actually had symptoms but denied it? (There are many reasons why this is quite common. For example, women often have increased vaginal discharge but don't consider it abnormal, because the amount of discharge can vary naturally over time.) And so it goes, to varying extent for all STIs.
The bottom line for men in your situation is that if you have a potentially risky penile exposure and within 5 days have not developed urethral discharge and painful urination, there is very little chance you caught gonorrhea (see the initial 1% figure above). There's a higher chance for chlamydia, but absence of symptoms within about 10 days still is quite reassuring. Given your wife's symptoms, I applaud your intention to be tested. But as already discussed, most likely her symptoms are not due to any STI.
That completes the two follow-up exchanges included with each question and so ends this thread. I hope the discussion has been helpful.
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