[Question #10618] Risk assessment
21 months ago
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Hi Doctors,
I am an MSM bi sexual man who recently did something which I would appreciate your advice and risk assessment.
Here's what went down, I agree to meet up with a male 37 year identifying as gay for mutual masturbation and oral sex. I asked his status and was told it was negative.
When I attend his house I found him living in a shed in and he didn't look like a completely honest and "clean" person (his living situation was poor and squalid) there was also drug equipment (bong and weed) visible which at the moment I over looked.. he was naked and I notice a large red rash atop his crack and between his cheeks, other then that he looked unmarked. We engaged is very brief like 2 to 5 seconds oral sex and I then masturbated over him to completion as he stroked his own penis and rubbed his ass he did not cum.
I am concerned about HIV and syphilis. I understand that syphilis is on the rise in South Australia but remains mostly in the aboriginal population and MSM. Should I be worried about his rash? What are the real risks and should I be tested?
Thanks in advance.
21 months ago
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Sorry to clarify I'm worried that the rash was 2nd stage syphilis I didn't have direct contact with it but I am concerned none the less.
I also acknowledge there is a risk of gonorrhea, chlamydia and NGU.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
21 months ago
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Welcome. Thanks for your confidence in our services. And congratulations for having only very safe sex in this situation (i.e. no anal sex) and discussing HIV status ahead of time. And a bit of congrats as well by being pretty well informed about STIs (since you know exactly the STIs of potential concern).
I can understand your concern: you were misled, whether intentionally or not, by your partner; and both he and the setting sound pretty unpleasant. However, a disordered or unhygienic lifestyle does not in itself suggest especially high risk for HIV or other STIs. A rash of the sort you describe, including its location, is much more suggestive of a hygiene issue or perhaps yeast infection, but it doesn't sound at all like the rash of secondary syphilis. The exposure itself was low risk -- oral sex isn't completely risk free, but very low risk compared with unprotected vaginal or anal sex; and especially low risk with such brief contact. And hand-genital contact is risk free. Finally, people usually are truthful when asked directly about HIV status.
Next steps? Mostly for reassurance, but not because of risk level, you could have urine and throat swab tests for gonorrhea and chlamydia; and, after a few weeks, blood tests for HIV and syphilis. Or if you're on speaking terms with your partner and he would agree to be tested, you could seek testing together. If you both are negative for all pertinent infections, you'll both know you were not at risk, without need for delayed testing.
Also consider at least speaking and perhaps visiting your nearest federally supported sexual health centre. Australia's SHCs are the world's best network of such clinics and for expert STI knowledge. While you are correct (according to my understanding) about the geographic and population distributions of syphilis in your country, a nearby SHC is likely to have specific advice about partners and settings such as these. (If you're in or near Sydney or Melbourne, their SHCs are the best of the best -- but in my experience all are outstanding.)
I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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21 months ago
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Thanks Dr I appreciate your sound advice. Unfortunately I'm located in the southern part of Australia but will make a time to speak with one of the SHC in the city.
Would you say I could resume protected sex with my regular partner or should I wait for testing? Unfortunately I'm unable to get the male partner to test, he says he's clean and negative. I guess I can assume that my risk was truly small and move on?
21 months ago
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Update: I've spoken with my local SHC and provide details as above and timeframes as below:
it has been approximately 2 weeks today since this incident and I have experienced on and off headaches, dizziness, exhaustion, night sweats for the last week and now have diarrhoea.. the nurse at the clinic advised that these are symptoms of HIV? I've managed to get myself into a SHC where they said I can get testing done specifically RNA HIV testing whatever that is? When will I know for certain if I am clear? I'm so worried now!
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
21 months ago
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Thanks for the follow-up info.
"Southern part" is a big area of Australia -- but since you don't say Melbourne, maybe Adelaide? I've been to the Adelaide SHC, which is excellent. Still, the fact is that symptoms almost never are useful indicators for or against a new HIV infection. Innumerable symptoms common in any infection also can occur with ARS (acute retroviral syndrome, i.e. new HIV infection) -- and even in people at maximum risk and with typical symptoms, the large majority have other explanations for those symptoms. Even though you list some symptoms that can occur with ARS, you don't mention the usual pattern, which is a combination of fever, sore throat, enlarged lymph nodes in several body areas (neck, groin, armpits), and skin rash. In view of the exposure described, and with a partner who probably isn't infected (most people don't lie about HIV status when asked directly), I will be very surprised if you test positive for HIV.
---All that said, given your concern and the advice you have had, of course you should be tested. A negative RNA test at 2 weeks will be nearly conclusive -- it would definitely mean your symptoms aren't due to ARS (it isn't possible to have HIV symptoms and test negative), and it would be >90% assurance you don't have HIV at all. After the negative result, undoubtedly the clinic will advise a confirmatory follow-up AgAb (4th generation) blood test a couple weeks later.
One more factoid you might find reassuring: In the 20 years of this and our preceding forum, with thousands of questions from people concerned about a potential HIV exposure, not one has yet reported they eventually tested positive. I am confident you won't be the first. If and when it happens, I imagine it will be in a far more risky situation than this one.
I look forward to hearing your test result when done. Stay mellow as you wait -- I'm truly confident it will be negative.
21 months ago
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Thank you doctor for your reassurance and the clarity you've provided.
Yes I am in Adelaide and will be attending a specific clinic for MSM. They've confirmed that an RNA test is best as will give me some resolve given my symptoms and yes I'll need to do another test 4th gen? In 2 weeks post this..
I will keep you posted and thank you for your final statement you've talked me off the ledge.
21 months ago
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Updated: I received my RNA Test back today with a result of ND (not detected). I will be having a 4th Gen HIV test on Friday next week and would like to report back the result of that one and my other tests which I am still waiting on (my RNA test was rushed back) and expect to see these towards the end of the week.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
21 months ago
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Confusing report: ND (not detected) means negative; so what is meant by "still waiting" on the result? It seems clear you do not have HIV.
Normally threads would be closed at this point. But you seem to want to report your next negative result as well -- so I'll leave it open. But no more comments until then-- OK?
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