[Question #10667] STI symptoms vs. Ph changes

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21 months ago
Good Afternoon,
Thank you so much for everything, first. Between this and other sites, I have learned SO much about STI risks and info from Dr. Hook and Handsfield! 38 y/o female with admitted anxiety over STDs any time I've been with a new partner. I've been STD free, only been with heterosexual men, and have only had around 5 partners in my life time. I've entered a new relationship within the last few months and we had a frank talk about STDs and made the plunge from condom protected to unprotected sex. He's a 47 yr old male with no reported history of STDs/symptoms, heterosexual. I have zero worry about HIV given the stats in my favor with all of the above. I do however tend to have a quick vaginal reaction with almost every new partner that has resulted in overall discomfort/agitation for a few days that clears up within a week (literally, EVERY partner, and EVERY time I fear it's an STD... so wild!). This time around, after unprotected vaginal sex episode number 2, within four days I experienced abdominal pain so I of course feared the worst thinking STD-PID. It was up toward the left side of my abdomen and for a few days, but has since pretty nearly completely gone away, or I've only noticed it once in a great while. I also noticed an increase in white, milky discharge mixed with typical clear discharge that was leaving a film in my underwear. I'm still somewhat getting it. It has no odor and I have no painful urination. I really, really don't want to continue to put myself through testing based on anxiety (other than routine, annual testing I always do) unless it really seems necessary. Do these symptoms reflect a possible Chlamydial/PID infection? Would they start and then go away, like the pelvic pain? I would imagine they'd get worse! Thank you SO much.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
21 months ago
Greetings and welcome. Thanks for the advanced thanks; nice to know the forum has been helpful to you, both generally and (I trust) your discussion with Terri not long ago.

You describe a very low risk sexual lifestyle in regard to STIs, as well as current minimal risk. Your age and that of your partner are a significant factor:  while sexual behavior and exposures of course are the main determinants of STI risk, statistically active/transmissible STIs all are dramatically less frequent beyond age 30-35, and the older the better! Even disregarding age, what you say about your new partner suggests he's at as low risk as you are.

We're not experts in the physiology of sex, but certainly changes in vaginal moisture, discharge, and so on are common in women in new sexual relationships. As you can imagine, it creates a common dilemma in management and advice for persons at higher STI risk than you are. Because such symptoms can be caused by STIs, testing is advised if the STI risk is significant. However, as for your particular vaginal symptoms, absence of odor -- and also apparent absence of colored discharge and/or staining of underclothes, since you don't mention them -- also suggest no STI is responsible. I have no good explanation for the pelvic pain you have experienced, but I would assume it's either psychological or some sort of internal muscular tension etc related to changes in sexual frequency. It's an obvious fact that sex often is more vigorous and frequent in the early, passionate stages of a relationship -- maybe contributing to such symptoms.

Of course you're free to be tested (only for gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis and HIV), and perhaps discuss your concerns with your partner, if the expected negative results would be reassuring. New couples often openly discus their past sexual experiences including STIs, and some get tested simultaneously -- which sometimes can be a positive sign of commitment and respect. That said, from a medical/risk perspective, I see this as entirely voluntary. It seems very unlikely you are at significant risk.

I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.

HHH, MD
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21 months ago
Yes, oh my gosh, I forgot Terri! She was a huge help! Thank you SO much. I am getting some film/residue in my underwear from the recent increase in milky white discharge, but I do have to say that I'm sure I've seen this type of discharge previously--but your mind goes blank on specifics when you're dealing with these things. Funny you mention the rigorous nature of sex... this man happens to be extremely rigorous, and I honestly did not even think of that as a possibility.  PID from what I understand is usually bilateral and from the many posts I've seen you and Dr. Hook on, it was pretty painful and significant. If the white discharge leaving residue does not seem super problematic to you, I'll leave it be for now, closely monitoring as needed. I did jokingly mention to this partner that I tend to go through a brief Ph balance issue with any new partner, asked if he perhaps gave me gonorrhea and forgot to mention it and he again stated that he has never had an STD (and I had to assure him I was mostly joking). I again thank you SO, so much.

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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
21 months ago
Yes, PID pain usually is bilateral. Consistent recurrence on one side is additional evidence it's not a serious issue.

The title of your question mentions vaginal pH, but the question at all said nothing -- but now you raise it aain. It is conceivable that a transient "pH balance" issue might imply your pH was on the high side at times? Sexual frequency and new partnerships can be associated with bacterial vaginosis, which elevates vaginal pH. However, by far the main symptom of BV is strong vaginal odor, which apparently you don't have. I really wouldn't worry about your pH balance.

I do hope your partner understands you were "mostly" joking! Anyway, of all STDs for which you conceivably were at risk and could cause vaginal discharge, gonorrhea is the least likely.
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21 months ago
So sorry, I should have been more clear about that, but was trying to be mindful about content, too much, etc. So, my obgyn who I adore has always told me that my little issue of having a bit of irritation that can sometimes mimic a yeast infection, or even agitation from STDs (which I have never had after every such experience) is likely just a vaginal, Ph balance issue from a new partner. She's talked to me several times about just new bacteria being introduced into the vagina by a new partner, and not necessarily BV or "BAD" bacteria, but just NEW bacteria in general can cause vaginal Ph balance to be thrown off short term, and in doing so, causing some brief changes and agitation (i.e, the overall feeling of discomfort/slight agitation for 3-5 days after I've had sex with a new partner). She's also of course told me it's likely somewhat psychological as well as I'm so hyperfocused on it (which is 100% true). So, while I KNOW that this is my typical pattern of physiological behavior, as you mention, it can mimic so closely what STDs do at at times, that even someone low risk can allow it to take over! LOL about gonorrhea--I was actually the least worried about that one as I know it almost ALWAYS has symptoms in men, and typically clears on it's own. This man in particular has not had sex in at least three months before me, according to him... so I knew risk of gonorrhea was low, and Chlamydia given his age and the fact that even most infections in men are cleared in 3-6 months, has just been the oddly specific disease I have been worried about.. THIS TIME. A month ago it was herpes, as you saw. You are truly the best. Thank you, THANK YOU.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
21 months ago
Your gyn is on the right track; it sounds like she's up on her game in regard to vaginal symptoms and bacteriology. The notion that adjustment to new bacteria can cause such things makes a lot of sense, although it has not been well studied (other than in relation to BV). All in all, I agree with all she has told you. It's also nice to see you understand about such things as age-related chlamydia prevalence and gonorrhea symptoms in men. (Regarding the last, you might get a smile if you read today's follow-up comments in another recent question #10664.)

That completes the two follow-up exchanges included with each question and so ends this thread. I have enjoyed the discussion. Take care and stay safe.
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