[Question #10735] HIV test windows and encounter
20 months ago
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I had sex with two Asian massage parlor workers. The first encounter was with a condom on and I was unable to stay erect so my penis could not stay inside her vagina and kept falling out. The second one shortly afterwards, I was able to stay fully erect with the second worker with the condom on and finished in about 10 seconds. 32 days after the encounter: HIV 1 RNA QL REAL TIME PCR came back NEGATIVE. 41 days after encounter: HIV 1/HIV 2 Ag/Ab Combo w/ Reflexes test came back NEGATIVE. 47 days after encounter: 4th gen HIV test came back with NEGATIVE. 60 days after encounter: 4th gen HIV test came back NEGATIVE. An urgent care doctor told me to wait 3 months for testing- is this outdated info? Does Valacyclovir affect HIV test results? should I get tested one more time after 90 days?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
20 months ago
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Welcome to the forum. Thank you for your question and your confidence in our services. I think I can help -- you should find the following comments reassuring.
You describe two essentially zero risk exposures in regard to HIV: had you asked before now, we would have advised that HIV testing wasn't necessary at all. Ian any case, your test results prove you were not infected with HIV: the combination of negative RNA testing at1 months and negative AgAb ("combo") test at 41 days is 100% conclusive. In fact, the RNA test wasn't needed: the negative AgAb test was conclusive at 41 days all by itself.
The urgent care doctor apparently doesn't understand the performance of the HIV tests you had. Six weeks is plenty -- with no need for testing at 3 months.
There are no drugs, medications, or medical conditions that affect the reliability or timing of the HIV AgAb blood tests. That includes valacyclovir, and the HSV infection you apparently have.
So all is well. You were at no risk of HIV to begin with, and your current test results prove for sure you don't have it. No further testing is needed.
I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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20 months ago
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Thanks Dr. I’ll take this opportunity to use my follow up questions if that’s ok.
1) Around the day 47 4th generation test I developed an itchy rash on my stomach along with aches and tenderness - I have had shingles before and I suspected it could be that so I went to that urgent care doctor (the one that said 3 months) and she agreed with it probably being shingles and she prescribed me the valacyclovir. I’ve had crippling stress and anxiety ever since this encounter and she thinks it’s because of the stress. Does this sound plausible for the resurgence of shingles?
2) should I be worried about HIV-2?
3) it seems like plenty of doctors I talk to stick to the 3 month rule for hiv testing some even saying 6 months despite the CDC’s 45 day rule… is there a reason for this? Is there any scientific basis or reasoning to their stances on this?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
20 months ago
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I'm happy to clarify these issues for you. The bottom line is that truly you should not be at all worried about having HIV!
1) Thanks for the info that you were not on valacyclovir prior to the sexual exposure; I hope your apparent herpes zoster (shingles) is improving with treatment. Shingles does occur with increased frequency in people with HIV, and can result in repeat episodes. However, the vast majority of shingles, including recurrent episodes, occurs in people without HIV. And having shingles has no effect on the reliability of your HIV test results; that is, your negative test results prove unequivocally you do not have HIV. I am aware of no data that support stress as a trigger, but it might be possible.
2) Your test results are equally valid for HIV-2 as for HIV-1. Internet buzz that says otherwise is all urban mythology!
3) I'm sure you're right that "many doctors" continue to advise 3 months for HIV testing, but the scientific data on the 45 day limit is very strong. Here are links to both the main publication that supports 45 days and an accompanying editorial from CDC, endorsing CDC's 45 day advice: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29140890/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29140891/
---Here's another factoid that might increase your confidence: In the nearly 20 years of this and our preceding forum, with thousands of questions from persons worried about a recent HIV exposure, not one forum user has told us they eventually tested positive. If it had happened, I'm sure we would hear about it, and you won't be the first! If and when it finally happens, I'm sure it will be from a legitimately high risk exposure, not a minor risk exposure like yours. It also will not involve long delayed positive test results.
Really, don't worry. There is no way you have HIV.---
20 months ago
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Thanks Dr. For my last follow up:
I read the study you shared. It states under the Testing after an exposure event section: “ Follow-up testing should occur 4–6 weeks and 3 months after baseline”
Can you clarify this? It seems that in this study it’s still stating to test 3 months afterwards.
Also is there a chance my rash could be syphilis and not shingles? During my 32 day RNA test I also got a syphilis test which came back negative. Should I repeat a syphilis test?
Thanks for your insight Dr. I look forward to your final response.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
20 months ago
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The paper reviewed the performance of several different, commonly used HIV tests. Without going back to re-read the context of your quote, I'm pretty sure it is relation to all the tests analyzed, some of which indeed can sometimes take up to 3 months to become positive. But it's 6 weeks (or 45 days if you're splitting hairs) for the AgAb tests, which are the main ones done in this situation. Also, the statement doesn't address dual testing: having both RNA and an AgAb test is 100% conclusive at 4 weeks and beyond.
The rashes of syphlis and shingles are entirely different from one another, and your doctor is not like to have confused them. Syphilis rash is not painful and not localized to a small area of the body. Finally, 4-6 weeks after exposure is too soon for syphilis rash.
That completes the two follow-up exchanges included with each question and so ends this thread. I hope the discussion has been helpful. Best wishes and stay safe (as you were during the exposure described).
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