[Question #10766] Potential syphillis risk fear after encounter 18 mths ago
19 months ago
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Prior to July of last year, I have only had one sex partner. the first week july of 2022, I met anonymously with another man, who anally fingered me thru underwear he brought for me to wear (I was tipsy so I cant remember if fingers actually went in), Spanked me, and I gave him a handjob, but he did not ejaculate. I am pretty sure I used my other hand to finish but I can't remember. I think he kissed my body as well, but definitely no kissing, oral sex, or penetration either way. After 3 weeks, I got tested for all STI's, and same at 6 weeks (all neg). got tested again after 3 months for all STI's that have window period of 3 months, and 2wks after testing I confirmed results were neg for HIV and Hep, and was told the tests go to different labs which may have explained the turnaround time. My clinic didnt have my syph results as of yet, and I let them know I'd be out of the country for a week in case they did call me. When I returned, I confirmed w the clinic they didnt call me, but paranoia once again got the best of me in June when I went into the clinic and a dr told me not to worry about STI transmission. Since the exposure, I got a handjob once, and kissed a few people, but I am now in a committed relationship and dont want to start having sex again unless I know I'm safe. In all honesty, the anxiety and paranoia im feeling are nearly debilitating, and I don't want to get tested again if I don't have to.
Part 1) of my question is was this risky behavior for syphillis? and was my testing accurate at 6 weeks?
Part 2) A lot of resources say that you can get syphillis from touching sores, and can therefore get it from being fingered or giving a HJ. If either of those are the case, why wouldn't you be able to get it from shaking hands or hugging someone? it doesn't make sense, and just makes my anxiety worse.
Please let me know if I should get re-tested at this point! Thank you.
19 months ago
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Not part of the question but I should add before this I had only done one STI test in sep 2020 and all was negative from that too. Thank you again!
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
19 months ago
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Welcome to my forum. Thanks for your questions. Congratulations as well. On your approach to safe sex and regular testing following encounters of concern. It is my pleasure to tell you that you could be absolutely confident that you did not require syphilis or any other STI from the encounter you described. Elaborate a little bit more below:
1. The encounter you described was very, very low risk for syphilis, but not no risk. You were correct that if I person has active Syphilis lesion on their hand or elsewhere on the body, and that part of the body is rubbed on another person, there is a low potential for transmission, but it has occurred. As a result, Syphilis lesions (chancres) have occurred on peoples fingers, thighs, hands, breasts, etc. This form of transmission, however is quite rare, and is typically followed by positive tests, and the appearance of lesions within three weeks of the encounter.
2. Much of this question is answered by my comments above. The friction involved in rubbing back-and-forth during sexual encounters is part of the way that syphilis transmitted. I’m not aware of Syphilis ever being transmitted by hugging or shaking hands.
As I mentioned, your blood test, which were negative 3 weeks following your encounter were strong evidence that you did not acquire, syphilis and all of the blood tests which were negative at six weeks or beyond absolutely proved that you did not acquire Syphilis. There is no need for continuing concern and certainly no need for additional testing.
It is time to put any concerns you might have behind you and move forward. I hope you enjoy the new year. EWH.
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19 months ago
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Thank you for getting back to me! I had a few follow ups, and please forgive me in advance if these come off as rude, I just don’t understand a few things: first, why is it that some resources say 3 months worth of testing is needed if you feel 6 weeks is sufficient? How does that happen? Not asking to doubt you as much as I am to understand how institutions vary so much.
Second, why wouldn’t syphillis be transmissible by shaking hands or other casual contact then? If fingers can do the trick, it doesn’t make sense that only sexual friction WITHOUT genitalia to genital contact could transmit the STI.
Again, I don’t mean to be rude, these are just the questions driving my anxiety. Thank you so much!
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
19 months ago
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The 3 month recommendation is overly conservative and reflects use of tests used years ago. If course, if you wish to continue testing, feel free. I'm confident that further tests will be negative. All too often recommendations fail to consider that anxiety that prolonged testing leads to.
As I said above, friction is important and shaking hands does not involve the sort of back and forth friction that sex does- further, the skin on the hands is thick and resistant to penetration by bacteria, including the bacteria that cause syphilis. The thickness of the skin and the amount of friction are the important variables here- that is a major part of the reason that the vast majority of syphilis occurs in the ano-genital areas where the combination of friction and think skin facilitate transmission.
EWH
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19 months ago
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That makes sense, thank you Dr. Final follow ups: if you were in my scenario, would you have tested at all? Otherwise, after 6 weeks would you feel comfortable having unprotected sex?
Also, to your second point, would that not mean that being anally fingered would be a near 0 risk act, and giving a handjob would be completely 0 risk too? Thank you again for all your help!
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
19 months ago
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As You know, we provide up to 3 responses to each client's questions. This is my 3rd response and therefore the thread will be closed following this response without further replies.
Regarding the scenarios you mention, in the unlikely situation that a partner had an active syphilis lesion on their finger (very rare but I have seen it) then anal masturbation or penile masturbation might carry some risk since the skin of the rectum and penis is thinner and more susceptible to infection. No lesion however, no risk and such lesions would be readily detected.
I think you may be worrying more about what are typically safe sexual encounters than you need to be.
Take care. EWH
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19 months ago
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Thank you again for your help Dr! I did previously include in the last question the question of whether you’d advise that having unprotected sex with a monogamous partner be something I should be comfortable with after knowing for certain 6 weeks later I was negative, but I do understand the 3 follow up rule, so regardless of whether you choose to answer that part thank you again! I hope you have a fantastic new year as well!
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
19 months ago
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I would certainly be comfortable with the fact that the tests are negative and would not hesitate to have sex with a regular partner.
End of thread. Please don't worry. EWH
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