[Question #10798] HIV tests and Symptoms
19 months ago
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Hello Dr,
I had unprotected sex with a family female friend in the Dominican Republic and I’ve been having trouble with many skin related symptoms that may indicate possible HIV exposure. I’ve done (4th gen duo test) at 10, 43, 70, 133 days and results are non-reactive, and I did RNA PCR quantitive with Undetected results at 10 weeks. Also, I did the full sti/std panel, but all is negative. Am I truly negative? Too many symptoms that won’t allow me to move on. Any input/suggestions is greatly appreciated.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
19 months ago
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Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your quesiton, which happens to raise exactly the same issues involved in the question immediately before yours (no. 10797). You might read that discussion as well as my commments to follow here.
It is completely certain you do not have HIV and that something other than HIV explains your symptoms. There are two take-home messages from the HIV tests in general: 1) whether or not someone is infected, the main thing people usually think about; but equally important is 2) whether or not symptoms are due to HIV. Your negative test results show both of these desirable outcomes. The symptoms of a new HIV infection are not caused by the virus itself, but by the immune response to it. At the same time, the virus must be present as well if symptoms are due to HIV. As a result, it is impossible to have symptoms of a new HIV infection and test negative. In addition, regardless of sypmtoms, the AgAb blood tests (i.e. 4th generation) ALWAYS turn positive within 6 weeks, no exceptions. Therefore your negative results at 43 days and later all were conclusive, and so was your negatie RNA PCR test.
In other words, our test results prove conclusive you did not catch HIV and that HIV is not a possible cause of your symptoms. As it happens, "many skin related problems" is not a typical occurrence with a new HIV infection. If those problems continue, it would be wise to see a dermatologist for diagnosis and possible treatment. But for sure HIV isn't he cause. You also can be entirely certain you have none of the STIs included in your "full panel" of tests.
I hope this information is helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear. Happy new year!
HHH, MD
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19 months ago
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Thank you for the reassurance…
I’ve read that in some rare cases people seroconversion happen very late. In your experience have you seen a person turn positive after 5 months?
BTW…my skin issues relates towards my chest and back (Mild Folliculities and beus nails per my dermatologist) and I fail to mention that I have HSV for many years and the outbreaks are more frequent after that sexual encounter (2 to 3 times a month) when I stop medicine after each outbreak. Also, I can feel one mass under my jaw/neck activated for about 2 month after having an accute bronchitis per my doctor (who never checked my throat).
Lastly by your analogy symptoms = positive results, but im not positive per my results (which is a good thing) all of the above have put me in a state of uncertainty. I wish I had made better choices…
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
19 months ago
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What you read about "rare cases" is completely wrong. First, "seroconversion" refers only to antibody, and therefore is not pertinent to the AgAb (4th generation) blood tests, which test for HIV antigen in addition to antibody. Second, even with the antibody-only tests, delayed seroconversion has not been a problem with the improved tests in use the past 15-20 years. It always was rare but it hasn't happened at all for many years.
Neither your skin problem or your herpes has any bearing on your HIV status. It is 100% certain you do not have HIV. Even if you had highly typical symptoms of HIV, the test results overrule all else: you definitely aren't infected and should stop assuming or fearing that any health problem of any kind has anything to do with HIV. Got it?
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19 months ago
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Thanks again for the reassurance...
Yes, you are right, my fears are getting the best of me. I am just in a situation I've never thought would happen. Although, I do believe I have something it's just a matter of time of knowing what might be.
Last questions...What are your thoughts on spinal tab? can doing such procedure will help explain the exact cause of what I'm experiencing?
Thank you for all that you do in helping individuals like me.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
19 months ago
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I'm not saying you don't "have something". But it isn't HIV, and based on your symptoms I'm confident it's nothing you acquired during the sexual exposure you have described, and probably not an infection of any kind. Based on all you say, I see no reason to sample and test your spinal fluid. Where does that idea come from? Of course see a doctor if the symptoms continue and/or remain concerning -- I'm confident your doctor also will agree a lumbar puncture (spinal tap) isn't necessary. (And no doctor ever would do it without a clear medical reason, i.e. simply because of a patient's request).
That completes the two follow-up exchanges included with each question and so ends this thread. I'm happy you appreciate the reassurance and hope you can now go the next step and become convinced you have no infection of any kind from the sexual exposure. Best wishes and stay safe.
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