[Question #10914] Syphilis Oral

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18 months ago
Hello, I had potential exposure to STIs on December 9th via oral sex (20 seconds). No other acts happened. 

I am concerned about risk of hidden syphilis due to antibiotics I have received for empiric treatment of chlamydia and gonorrhea (no symptoms). I received cefixime 800 mg and doxycycline 100 mg BID for 7 days. I actually treated myself with two rounds of doxycycline due to anxiety. 

Please see my timeline below:
-Dec 9th: exposure
-Dec 14th: negative STI test for chlamydia and gonorrhea
-Dec 19th: started doxycycline 7 days round 1 and cefixime 800 mg
-January 9th: negative STI panel for all STDs
-January 17th: completed doxycycline  7 days round 2 (anxiety, no symptoms)
January 30th: negative STI panel for all STDs (7 weeks)

What is the risk that my recent antibiotics could be causing my syphilis to not be active but still exist? Should I receive Pen G as a precaution? Thank you!

Could I have passed syphilis to my wife if I never had a chancre? 



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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
18 months ago
Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your question.

Your opening line reveals a basic (but very common) misunderstanding. Antibiotics do not "mask" syphilis, i.e. make tests negative despite persisting infection. Their effect is to eliminate syphilis entirely or to prevent it from ever taking hold. In this case, either cefixime or doxycycline, in the doses you took, is 100% effective in aborting syphilis if you were exposed and potentially infected. Indeed, doxycycline in only a single dose of 200 mg is 100% effective in aborting syphilis and chlamydia and is now recommended as post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP) for men who have sex with men after high-risk sexual exposures (a strategy called Doxy-PEP, which very soon will be formally recommended by CDC). 

Therefore, you did not need later testing for syphilis or chlamydia. Similarly, cefixime totally protected you for gonorrhea. Your negative tests after the antibiotics confirm you were never infected and the tests really weren't needed. 

So all is well. It is certain you never had syphilis, gonorrhea or chlamydia and could not have infected your wife. All is well!

I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.

HHH, MD
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18 months ago
Thank you. This is very helpful.

To close the loop: Even thought I started doxycycline 10 days after exposure which I believe is different than the doxy pep schedule, you are confident my antibiotics were effective in killing any potential syphilis?

 And I couldn’t have given any potential syphilis to my wife before I started doxycycline 10 days after exposure? We had sex after first negative test for gonorrhea and chlamydia before I started first round of doxy. 
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
18 months ago
Yes, 100% confident. There has never been a case of syphilis or chlamydia that wasn't prevented with doxycycline in these doses given within 4 weeks of exposure. And even without treatment, syphilis is not transmissible to partners sooner than 3-4 weeks after catching it. There is no possibility you ever had gonorrhea, chlamydia, or syphilis. You were seriously overtreated!---
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18 months ago
Thank you for answering all my questions- I really appreciate and value your expertise!

My final question based off my research on your site.

 Why is there a difference between when chlamydia/gonorrhea is transmissible and when it can be detected by NAAT? (2/3 days for being transmissible vs 4/5 days for positive NAAT) 

I would think that since the NAAT is so sensitive it would have to be positive in order to transmit chlamydia or gonorrhea?

All is well on my end and really value your expertise!!
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
18 months ago
You ask a good question and the answer isn't really known. Here comes a more elaborate reply than you might have expected.

You partly misinterpret what you have read, or at least what I have posted (and I believe Dr. Hook as well). For gonorrhea I would say 2-3 days for both transmissibility and test positivity, and 4-5 days for both of these for chlamydia. However, there's never been careful research on how quickly they are transmissible or detectable by testing. All estinates are based on knowlege of the two organisms' biology:  gonorrhea is fast growing and chlamydia much more slow growing. For these and almost all other infections, "just one bacteria" -- or small numbers -- are not sufficient either to be detected by testing or to transmit infection. Therefore sensitivty of testing and transmission are numbers games. Most experts agree that neither gonorrhea nor chlamydia is likely to be transmissible until NAAT turns positive. But this really isn't known; and it's very possible that some early NAAT positives might not yet be transmissible to partners.

Neisseria gonorrhoeae grows in culture fast enough to show positive within 24 hours of inoculating the test medium. Chlamydia trachomatis takes a few days to show positive results in tissue culture. On this forum, Dr. Hook and I generally say NAAT positivity and transmissibility begin 2-3 days and 4-5 days after exposure, respectively. However, for chlamydia there are some who advise waiting as long as two weeks after exposure before testing for it. Since these issues have never been rigorously studied -- and it would be very difficult (ethically) to study time to transmssibility -- we're left with expert opinion, which is pretty variable.

Another element also arises, more for chlamydia than gonorrhea. Some positive test results soon after exposure might be dectecting the inoculum from a recent partner, and do not necessarily mean infection has taken hold (or will) in the exposed/tested person. Some experts believe this might explain some positive pharyngeal (throat) NAATs that are not confirmed by culture and soon become negative without treatment. Accordingly, testing too soon after exposure may be falsely positive -- another reason to not be tested just a day or two after a new sexual contact, i.e. risks of both false negative and false positive.

Thanks for the thanks about our services. I hope this additional information also is useful, or at least intellectually interesting! Best wishes and stay safe.


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