[Question #10962] Heavy frottage( grinding) and protected vaginal sex

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18 months ago
First i would to thank you both for what you have done for this website and the people.
First i will start with encounter that scares me the most and it was recent.
1. Encounter with Indonesian CSW. She is married. Mutual masterbuation, fingered her for sometimes with small recent cut in my fingers from clipping my nails too short but i know that no risk. She sat on top of me, placed my penis lying on my pubic area pointing my stomach and sat on and started grinding bit hard for 1 minute. Im all about saftey so i wore a condom after she finished i realized the condom came out and i got spooked. I asked her did it go in she said NO. Her agent told me and assured me that you didn’t penetrate her and that she takes her to test every week before a new client comes and that she takes prep medication so that she wont give anything to her husband and she uses condoms. She wanted me to have sex with or without condom but i refused. I got scared maybe she does that with other clients. So i have no idea when the condom fell because I couldn’t see. Will i know with absolutely 100% no doubt if i penetrated her, like i wont be her questioning myself i did. The agent assured me multiple times that she is 100% healthy. 
2. 2 years ago Protected vaginal sex brief 2 minutes with Kenyan CSW. I developed tingling sensation 2 days after. No discharge, visible sores, painful urination or burning. I got scared and inspected my penis everyday. The tingling was for 4 months then it disappeared for a year and half and it came back. I visited urologist and he said nothing to worry about. He did prostate exam, urinalysis and it was clear, he diagnosed me as prostatitis (CPPS) but he doesn’t thinks it’s prostatitis but CPPS. He said you are anxious person and i think it was all “ genital focused anxiety”.
I have a sensitive job and i have health anxiety. I need your expertise to put this to bed once in for all. 
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
18 months ago
Welcome to our forum. Thanks for your confidence in our service. I’ll be glad to comment. Congratulations as well on your cautious approach to casual sexual encounters. This will do much to keep you safe.

1.  This was a no risk encounter. Even without a condom, frottage without penetration is a no risk event for STI. In your case, the use of a condom added even additional reassurance that you could not have been infected. Had you entered your partner’s vagina you certainly would have known it.

2.  the symptoms you described are certainly consistent with CPPS and are in no way no suggestive of an STI. I suggest you continue to work with your urologist on this issue.

from what you describe so thoroughly I see nothing for you to worry about. EWH.
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18 months ago
Thanks you for reply. Im more concerned of HIV 
1. A year after the protected sex, i developed 2 small lymph nodes in my neck one infront of the and the other at the back of the neck I went to ENT doctor at first he couldn’t locate it and then when i showed him he said its really small and normal. I have being suffering from bloating and gases for couple of months. So these are at all not related to HIV
2. I have stinging pain in my penis after the frottage, likely from the grinding but its not suggestive for STD right?
3. There is no way at all i wont know if i accidentally penetrated her?
4. Even if there is alot of vaginal fluid grinded hard on my penis, its okay. No penetration = No risk of HIV ?
5. Should i worry about skin to skin std or that is rare if there is no penetration.. 
6. Fingering with fresh small cut for long time is no risk since there is no target cells hiv in fingers and it was small i didnt even felt or known its there. 
* She takes Prep everytime when she has sex, does that mean she is afraid of her health? 
My bad with the question Doctor Hook.

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Edward W. Hook M.D.
18 months ago
I really think you are worrying too much.

1.  Correct 
2.  Correct.  This does not suggest any STI, including HIV
3.  You would know if penetration had occurred 
4.  Correct, no risk of HIV
5.  This is most unlikely.  CDC, WHO, all agree on this
6.  Correct

Please don’t worry.  EWH 
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18 months ago
I have one last reply before the thread closes. 
Does shining penis gland indicates anything. It happened after protected sex and it happened again after frottage. I think its condom related because both times it happened after using condom. 
- the lymph nodes in my neck is not related at all to HIV, because HIV causes enlarge lymph and its being there for a year and no changes in size and painless. 
- since i wont be able to add another reply, all in all, tell me im zero risk of hiv ( which what im concern about) and other std from the two activities i have and i should erase it from my memory and go back to my life.
- i wouldn’t be able to thank you after you reply. Thank you for your time in talking to me and clearing my anxious mind. 
I trust your expertise way deeply. Instead of continuing going into rabbit hole searching on the internet. I just need your last reassurance and i will move on.
Thank you again Doctor Hook. I also believe anyone who came here for doubts never turned to be otherwise. 
Have a wonderdul day Doctor.
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18 months ago
There is no need for testing right doctor?
Zero risk for hiv and stds?
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18 months ago
Does pain after urination indicate any std. like dull pain in penis. Thats all for me. Thanks
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
18 months ago
As you know, we provide up to three responses to each clients questions. This will be my final response, and then the thread will be closed:

Your follow up questions are largely repetitive. The encounters should describe, did not put you at risk for acquiring HIV. The small lymph node you discovered, and which was examined by your doctor and assessed to be not a serious problem is unrelated to HIV.

You are not at risk for HIV from the encounters you describe. There is no need for testing. I strongly encourage you to move forward without concern.

You were description of a dull discomfort occurring in your penis following urination does not suggest an STI.

I hope this information has been helpful. Please don’t worry. EWH.

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