[Question #11224] HIV Testing Worries
16 months ago
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Hello dear doctors,
I, F (30), had a brief unprotected anal exposure with a casual male in March 2023 due to a condom breaking, and I've been worrying about HIV ever since. I'm not aware of the status of said partner, although he assured me at the time that he was clean.
What caused my worries was that, 14 days after this possible exposure, I experienced very unusual symptoms: sore throat, mild night sweats, a white tongue, and a very mild dry cough (I also recall having some green/yellowish sputum coming from my throat, but I'm not entirely sure about the timing of this). These symptoms lasted about a week, but after my sore throat resolved, I had a hoarse voice for a couple of days. By week 4 post-exposure, I felt fine again, but a new wave of symptoms came by week 5 - congestion, sneezing, coughing. Once again, this resolved after a week or so.
Since then, I have been tested for HIV at different intervals:
28-day rapid 4th gen test: Negative
36-day HIV 1 and 2 PCR test: Negative
4th gen Lab test CMIA at 60 days: Negative
4th gen Lab test CMIA at 94 days: Negative
4th gen rapid test at 180 days: Negative
4th gen rapid test at 365 days: Negative
I was also tested for Hepatitis B and C and Syphilis at 94 days, all of which were negative.
16 months ago
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After the PCR test at 36 days, my doctor also ordered some blood counts, and the only counts slightly out of the usual were the eosinophils (0.9 when the range is between 1-6) and the monocytes (9 when the range is between 2-10). Due to these results at day 36, my doctor told me that this was likely mononucleosis, but never ordered a test for it, but said that I did not have HIV.
I was ready to follow my doctor's advice, but since September 2023, I identified what I think is a slightly enlarged lymph node (?) on the right side of my neck just below and behind my ear. This is very superficial, not tender, I can move it a little bit, and it's a bit firm. My doctor said that he doesn't think this is a lymph node, but couldn't say for sure. However, this is still worring me, because it has been here ever since - not larger than 1cm, it hasnt increased or decreased over time.
16 months ago
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1- Can I still have HIV despite my test results?
2- Is this persistent lymph node a sign that I do have it but somehow its not showing on the tests?
3- Do my blood counts really point to Mono as the cause of my symptoms?
4- My partner at the time was from African origins, can any different strains/subtypes/groups of the virus not be detected by the tests that I had and on the time I took them?
5- Is it even possible for a PCR test to miss an infection by 36 days (2 weeks post possible ARS)?
6- Since then I entered a relationship, I had my last test at 365 days with my boyfriend. We are both negative. Can I have unprotected sex with him?
Thank you for your time
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
16 months ago
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Welcome to the forum. Thank you for your question.
The standard HIV tests, including all the ones you have had, are among the most sensitive diagnostic tests ever developed, for any medical condition. Negative results on tests collected long enough after exposure -- intervals much shorter than yours -- are 100% reliable. The results overrule all other considerations. No matter how high the risk of exposure at the time, and no matter what symptoms or non-HIV lab results, the test results rule.
In addition, you describe a nearly zero risk exposure for HIV: even before you were tested, you can assume the odds a partner like yours had HIV to be around one in a thousand; and the transmission risk to an uninfected female partner, from a single episode of unprotected sex, also is around one chance in a thousand. Combining those two probabilities, even before you were tested the chance you had acquired HIV were no higher than one chance in a million. And the symptoms you report are not nearly as typical of HIV as you seem to think. Even though your illness 2 weeks after the sexual exposure have some elements that could go along with ARS, they were not typical. Among other things, ARS does not include cough or sputum production; and of course garden variety colds and other respiratory infections are hundreds of time more common than ARS.
Those comments pretty well cover your specific questions, but to be explicit:
1) No, it is not possible you have HIV.
2) HIV infections never cause just a single lymph node to be enlarged or inflamed -- and it isn't possible to have HIV symptoms and test negative.
3) Blood counts: Mononucleosis is far from the most common cause of a modesty elevated monocyte count. I suppose you could have had mono, but can't say more. For sure it had nothing to do with HIV.
4) Despite misleading information to be found online, there are no known variants of HIV that would not be detected by the tests you had.
5) In theory, PCR could miss an infection at that time, e.g. in the group of infected persons called elite controllers. But you also had several negative antigen-antibody (AgAb, 4th generation) blood tests.
6) There is absolutely nothing the health issues you have described that suggests any reason not have unprotected sex with your partner.
I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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16 months ago
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Dear Doctor HHH,
Thank you for your insightful responses; they have significantly alleviated my concerns regarding HIV. I appreciate having the opportunity to consult with someone as knowledgeable as yourself on this matter.
I have a few follow-up questions:
1 - Based on your responses, would it be accurate to assume that I may have been excessively tested? While I mentioned specific tests, I actually underwent a few more (mostly rapid 3rd/2nd gen tests I performed at home), totaling over 20 tests within a year due to my anxiety. All results were negative, with no instances of indeterminate or positive results. Is it unreasonable to believe that all 20 tests could be false negatives?
2- There's some discussion about strains or subtypes of HIV that might evade detection by standard tests, which has added to my anxiety, especially considering the timeline of my symptoms. In your professional opinion, is this concern valid, or is it more of a myth?
3- Could the lump or swollen lymph node I mentioned be attributed to a potential Mono infection, and if so, is it possible for it to remain permanently swollen? I've come across information suggesting this could occur in some cases.
4- What would be your recommended next steps regarding this lump or lymph node? My doctor suggested ignoring it since I don't have any other symptoms, but I'm still concerned.
5- I've encountered conflicting information online regarding testing guidelines, with some sources suggesting 45 days, others 90 days, and some even mentioning 6 months. Additionally, there are discussions about differences between HIV 1 and 2, with claims that HIV 2 may take years to be detected. Should I stop testing since it's 100% certain I don't have HIV or would you recommend any further steps or tests?
Once again, thank you for your assistance.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
16 months ago
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1. You were WAAAYYYY over tested! Taken together, the 28 and 36 day results were conclusive. All beyond those were unnecessary. (If you've really had 20 tests, I think that would be the record in the twenty years of this forum and our preceding one.)
2. Don't believe everything you find online. There have been theoretical considerations about the potential for new strains to evolve that would be missed by the Curren tests, but they do not exist -- or are so rare, and limited to Africa (with none at all in Europe or North America) that the possibility is nil. It absolutely is nothing to be worried about.
3. Like ARS, mono also is unlikely to cause a single lymph node to be enlarged. However, once any lymph node is inflamed and enlarged, it may remain swollen (mildly) forever.
4. We don't advise on health issues other than HIV and other STIs. A single long term persistent node or other lump you can feel usually is entirely harmless. But show it to a doctor if you remain concerned about it. For sure it's not HIV or any other STI.
5. The science is clear. For the AgAb blood tests, negative results are conclusive by 45 days (and 98% of the time by 28 days). Longer times typically refer to older tests no longer in use, failure of the advisor to have kept up with newer tests, and sometimes political or religious conservatism partly try to frighten people into behavioral change. It takes only a bit longer for reliable HIV2 results, but probably about 60 days is conclusive for the AgAb tests. It used to be that the PCR tests didn't detect HIV2, but now they do.
Definitely stop testing!
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16 months ago
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Dr. HHH, thank you for your responses.
I underwent approximately 20 tests within a year, though I can't provide an exact count. My fear was overwhelming, and I now realize it was irrational to entertain the notion that I might have HIV for such an extended period. Unfortunately, my country still advises a 3-month window period regardless of the type of test, and some doctors even suggest waiting 6 months to a year. You can probably understand my concerns regarding this conflicting information. Discovering your forum earlier might have spared me from a year of such distress. I attempted to rationalize my symptoms through the lens of HIV, as you might understand.
I am committed to follow your advice. If you assure me that I am 100% free of HIV, regardless of any past or current symptoms, and that there is absolutely no chance of discovering I am positive related to this exposure, I will place my trust in your expertise.
I won't burden you with further repetitive questions. Instead, I simply want to express my profound gratitude to you and the other professionals who manage this forum. Thank you immensely for assisting individuals like me. Wishing you all the best.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
16 months ago
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"If you assure me that I am 100% free of HIV..." That's what I have been doing!
My guess is that your country does not have a national policy about time to conclusive testing -- even if many or most doctors and clinics give such outdated advice. My guess is that it is a politically, socially or religiously conservative place. But that doesn't mean science should be ignored. Trust me on this: with the tests you had, nobody in the world ever has required more than a few weeks for conclusively negative test results (with the exception of those who take anti-HIV drugs to prevent HIV (post exposure prophylaxis).
Thanks for the thanks. I'm glad to have helped. Best wishes and stay safe.
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