[Question #11290] Protected Oral. Concerns.
15 months ago
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Hello, I'm following up on my exposure from 4/6 (protected/semi protected receiver of oral from female by saran wrap at massage parlor). I was tested on 4/27 for Syphilis, Gonorrhea, and Chlamydia, which were all returned as negative. I know that Syphilis isn't conclusive and that's my main concern and reason for this follow up. I have a large red bump on the back of my thigh, but it doesn't look conclusively as a syphilis chancre. I also have developed a serious rash on my anus and I'm not joking, it's very large and very red but can't tell if any chancres exist (just very red and sensitive to touch) but hard to tell by taking pictures. I'm getting tested again on 5/10 for HIV and Syphilis. My main concern as mentioned is Syphilis, so here are my questions: 1) Does the sore on the back of my thigh and rash on my anus indicate Syphilis? 2) Can Syphilis be passed through massage from someone (she rubbed my anus quite vigorously)? this is outside of oral exposure concern. 3) Will my test on 5/10 be conclusive? It will be one day short of 5 weeks from exposure, what's the percentage of accuracy? What could this red sore be on my leg and rash on my anus? I have also had a partially sore throat, fleeting headaches, and some muscle/bone aches recently. Thanks in advance.
15 months ago
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Also, is the HIV test that I will take at 5 weeks conclusive? How accurate will it be at 5 weeks compared to 6? I'm not sure which ones my clinic uses.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
15 months ago
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Welcome back but I'm sorry you found it necessary. My first comment is to point out one of Dr. Hook's comments a couple days ago: "Please don't overthink this. When your results are negative fro gonorrhea and chlamydia, I would encourage you to put your fears aside and move on." That remains my advice as well, especially about overthinking: that's what is reflected in these questions.
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Not only does the "bump" on your thigh not sound like a syphilitic chancre. Chancres appear only at the exact site of inoculation, and I doubt your partner had any contact at all (or maybe only fleeting contact) with your thigh. If you got syphilis, the chancre would be on your penis. Further, the odds a person like your partner has syphilis probably is under one in a thousand, and if she had it, the transmission risk from oral sex -- even without plastic wrap, condoms etc -- would also be less than 1/1000. That means your chance of being infected was under one chance in a million (0.001 x 0.001 = 0.000001), actually still lower given the plastic wrap; if that was 99% effective, then your syphilis risk becomes one chance in a hundred million. In other words, zero for all practical purposes.
The answers to your specific questions are 1) no and 2) no. And 3) you don't need syphilis testing at all -- but if you insist, it takes 6 weeks for conclusive results.
Anal area rash usually is nonspecific irritation or conceivably a superficial yeast infection, but for sure not syphilis. I have no way of guessing at the cause of your thigh lesion, but you can be sure both it and the anal rash have absolutely nothing to do with your massage parlor adventures. Your mild sore throat, headaches, and body aching sound like anxiety magnifying trivial symptoms or normal body sensations you otherwise would ignore or probably not even notice.
Do your best to move on without worry. You're fine. You should be continuing sex with your regular partner, also without worry.
I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
15 months ago
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Sorry I neglected your HIV test question. This was definitely a zero risk event for HIV; there has never been a scientifically proved case of HIV transmitted oral to penis, and it is also very unlikely your partner has HIV. But here too, if you insist, wait until testing is conclusive -- which is 6 weeks for the standard AgAb (4th generation) HIV blood tests.---
15 months ago
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I appreciate your bode of confidence in a time when you can tell I'm lacking. However, a few questions remain. 1) How accurate are the Syphilis blood tests at 5 weeks; 80%? Would I test positive if the symptoms I'm mentioning happened to be from Syphilis? 2) Is the HIV test at 5 weeks 90% accurate? I understand 99% at 6 weeks. 3) She certainly did massage my thigh and asshole as mentioned in first question/comment, but I'm assuming this doesn't change your advice at all. I have to test at 5 weeks due to conflicts and continuing delay of sex with my regular partner is becoming rather difficult, which I know you advise against, but I will likely take my 5 week results as conclusive after your advice.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
15 months ago
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1) No solid data exist, but probably ~90%. And yes a negative result would show your symptoms are not from syphilis.
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2) About 98-99% at 5 weeks for the HIV AgAb tests.
3) No, this doesn't change my assessment about risk for HIV, syphilis, or any other STI.
If somehow I were in your situation, I would be having sex with my wife knowing I was not infected from this event.
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15 months ago
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Thanks, Dr. Handsfield. Since I'm spiraling with my anxiety I'll finish it off with one last question then feel free to close. Do most Planned Parenthoods use the HIV AgAb tests? and use Syphilis tests that would show up as positive roughly 90% of the time at 5 weeks? I want to be as sure as possible following the testing, but I'm going to do my best to quit worrying, the mind is a weird thing. Thanks for helping out.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
15 months ago
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Most clinics providing routine HIV testing use the AgAb tests regularly and I imagine most PP clinics do so -- but you'll have to ask them.
All available syphilis blood tests have the same reliability; it doesn't matter which test PP or any other clinic might routinely use.
---That completes the two follow-up exchanges included with each question and so ends this thread. Please note the forum policy against repeated questions, especially when primarily anxiety driven. This being your second, it will have to be your last about this exposure and your HIV/STD fears. For example, please do not be tempted to ask further questions about the risk of the event itself or to report your negative test results. Thanks for your understanding. I do hope the two discussions have been helpful. Best wishes and stay safe.