[Question #11739] Medication needles worry
12 months ago
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I hope that you will be so kind to answer my question as I am having a lot of worry about this. Earlier this year I had a positive syphilis test which turned out to be false positive. At the time I was on many hormone injections for ivf. During my latest ivf which I did in Athens, Greece I injected myself with clexane every day and took pills - estrogen, predisone etc. I was worried when I was traveling that someone might access my needles to inject clexane (single use) I stored when traveling in my suitcase but were in a box and not sealed- in the U.K. they do not put the injections in a sealed packet. However I locked my suitcase. I did though go on a ferry to a greek island and forgot to lock my suitcase and left it in the luggage area. Once I arrived (about an hour later) once I arrived to my hotel, got a needle and injected clexane. My worry is if someone had tampered with my needle I could have exposed myself to hiv. I think I did squirt the liquid out of the needle a bit prior to my injection to clean the needle tip due to my worries and am wondering if this would make a difference? I have tried to put my anxieties aside but 3 weeks later I developed a white spot (looks pimple like) on my tongue. The Dentist said that probably due to an injury biting my tongue I might have developed a small fungal infection though he didn't recommend pills. He did a laser treatment but it is still there (more flat now). I also have developed about 5 weeks later an intensely itchy rash on the side of my knee. Again I went to a Dr and she said 'it might be fungal.’. It worsens when I take a shower at night and it is dark and sometimes red on my skin. These issues have gone on for over 3 weeks at this point, the tongue over a month. I just would like to know my risk if someone did in fact prick themselves with my needle etc. Also, if these fungal infections would raise an alarm for you.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
12 months ago
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Welcome. Thank you fore your confidence in our services.
You seem OK with your previous false positive syphilis test. This is a very common outcome (up to 2% of all RPR or VDRL tests), but maybe it's still influencing your concerns about your Clexane syringes (?). However, your false positive syphilis results had nothing at all to do with contaminated equipment or how your blood was drawn. I'll assume you're OK with all this, but let me know if you still have concerns about it.
I have to say I am extremely skeptical of any possibility someone messed around with your clexane syringes and related equipment. That just doesn't happen. I suppose that if you were a user of illicit drugs by injection, and involved in social circles with other users, someone might covet your equipment for his or her own use. But barring that situation, this seems like a pretty much impossible scenario. I really wouldn't worry about it. And the symptoms you describe certainly do not suggest such a thing. The white spots, itchy rash, etc do not suggest HIV, syphilis, or any other blood-borne or other infection that could be acquired by drug injection equipment. Nobody ever should fear having HIV, syphilis, or other blood borne infections just because they have a few of the symptoms you can find listed. Almost every symptom of such infractions occurs much more commonly with other common, minor health conditions. Single symptoms (like skin rash, for example) almost never indicate HIV, for example. It's the pattern and timing of symptoms that make the difference. Without fever, widespread rash, sore throat, muscle aching etc, there is no chance of HIV. As for minor fungal infections, that's a difficult diagnosis to make by simple visual appearance -- and such minor infections occur commonly in entirely healthy people anyway.
Since you're worried -- mostly about HIV, I believe -- it would make sense to be tested. You really aren't at risk, but risk alone isn't the only valid reason for testing. If you will be reassured by a negative test result, by all means feel free to be tested for HIV. (This does not mean I believe there is the slightest chance if would be positive. I do not.)
I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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12 months ago
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Hello Dr Handsfield. Thank you for your response. I consulted with the dentist again this morning and he has now clarified that the lesion on my tongue is not fungal and says though he initially was unsure if it was, has determined almost certainly is 'bite trauma' and an oral surgeon colleague agrees. I am now only unsure why it's persisted so long. The leg issue does continue to itch badly especially after hot showers and looks dark but gets a bit better when I put cream on it. In terms of the needles I understand what you are saying and I have tried to tell myself that it is 'almost impossible' but unfortunately it has really flared up my anxiety and of course I start questioning too if the needles might have been contaminated at any other point too. My question is theoretically if for some 'impossible' reason it did happen if there was contamination of the tip of the needle, does that put someone at high risk of hiv? Or would it be less if fluid had already been pressed on the tip of the needle(when I pressed some liquid out before I injected). And since there was a short window of time in between would that make a difference? Is it more risk if blood is in the syringe of a needle which obviously couldn't happen because they are single use? I don't plan to do these treatments abroad again as I think it's too overwhelming. I was not in the company of anyone. I was alone on a ferry with many passengers and I also asked the ferry company and they said 'none other than the crew members has access in the places where passengers luggage is stored for the duration of the trip.' In terms of the syphilis result it was a shock at the time, I wasn't aware something like that could happen but put it down to the hormones, 2 per cent seems low chance of that happening. In terms of testing yes that would be logical, last time I tested was in february due to the fertility treatments and regulations but now with my anxiety I am feeling quite scared to do so.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
12 months ago
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You're really obsessed with these issues. I read these comments very carefully, and every potential exposure or event you describe was zero risk for HIV.
There definitely is no medial or risk based need for testing for HIV. However, as I said above, reassurance alone is a valid reason for testing. However, fear of the result is NOT a valid reason not to test. When people delay testing for serious conditions -- whether HIV testing, mammography, colonoscopy, etc -- anxiety always declines after testing, even if the result is the feared one. Worry about the outcome is a stronger stress than having the answer, even the "wrong" answer.
So just do it. I will be happy to comment one final time if you test and want to let me know the negative result. Threads are closed after two follow-up comments and replies or 4 weeks, whichever comes first. So you have one more comment coming. I hope you use it to report your HIV test result.
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12 months ago
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Hello. I understand you think my worries are unfounded but I would really like compassionate and practical answers to my specific questions. I don’t want to test right now mainly because I will have to leave country I’m in if positive but based on your answers I can work something out. . I have been very ill the past week. First started with losing appetite and acid reflux. Also stomach feeling sore - hard to explain soreness but barely able to eat. I also got leg aches. And yesterday I had fever up to 38 but had been exposed to sun day before. I then got a cough a week after losing appetite that which was just after drinking out at cafe. My throat is now so sore I can barely swallow. Cough is constant and now can barely move from bed. Questions are as follows;
The last exposure to potentially unclean needle was June 3rd. Is august 5th for main signs after rash etc too late for ars? Does this sound like ars or effects of having caught hiv? I think I read a long time ago with needles ars is delayed. In regard to needle you say potential exposure isn’t risk. Surely if someone tampered with needle it is risk. Would pushing fluid to cover needle from barrel first decrease risk and also isopropyl alcohol on stomach? I’m dyspraxic and I know you think it’s silly but often my disorganisation leads me to leave things in random places.
I had to have oral surgery to remove lesion on tongue which they ordered biopsy last week(after appetite change). . Is it safe to drink and eat out with cuts on tongue which I did a few times as was moving? I got cough immediately after this drink.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
12 months ago
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I'm sorry you didn't find my comments sufficiently compassionate, but you have asked similar questions several times and it is not our role to resolve questioners' underlying anxieties. Yes, your worries are unfounded. And I disagree there is risk even if someone "tampered" with the needle you are concerned about.
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Your symptoms are not typical of ARS, which does not cause cough; and indeed 2 months is far too long for onset of ARS symptoms. Clearly you have had some sort of respiratory infection; covid is a good bet and you should get tested for it. From an HIV standpoint, of course it is safe to eat and drink with cuts on the tongue.
The solution to your fears still lies in testing and nothing I can say is going to outweigh the value of knowing your HIV status. In addition, you have an obligation to your oral surgeon: you should tell him or her about your symptoms and your worries about both IV and covid. Probably s/he will insist on you being tested for both before going ahead with the planned procedure.
That concludes this thread. Please note the forum policy against repeated anxiety driven questions. Future ones along these lines will be subject to deletion without reply and without refund of the posting fee. Thank you for your understanding.
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