[Question #11999] One thing I forgot to clarify.

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11 months ago
Docs.  In question # 11034 I came across something I needed to clarify.   Dr HhH in one of your responses.. I believe the second.  You stated “ It is impossible to prove a negative. That is, I cannot prove that someday someone might have HIV and the AgAb (4th generation) blood test will miss the infection. That's why some official sources state 99.9% instead of 100% “  

  I just need to know ….

 You are not saying it is impossible to prove that a negative HIV 4th generation Test result is really negative if taken at least 45  days after exposure , correct ?  I just want to make sure somebody can trust a negative 4th generation result if taken 45 days after exposure.   Thank you.   Sorry I came back.  But this is the last one 
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
11 months ago
Wow. You continue to be immersed in the weeds due to you frankly irrational and even pathological obsessions and worries about HIV. That "it is impossible to prove a negative" was a minor philosophical point that had nothing to do with the reliability of your test results. (It took me a while to sort out your concerns -- you have two separate accounts and usernames, which makes it quite difficult for us. If you're ever back again, stick with one or the other!)

In the 15-20 years since the AgAb (4th generation) blood tests came into regular use, there have been few if any scientifically documented case of anyone in whom it took longer than 45 days, except in persons who took antiretroviral drugs as PEP, and they didn't work (which itself is rare). Can I prove it never happened or never will? Of course not. Nevertheless, you can and should trust your negative results.

The forum does not permit repeated questions on the same topic or exposure, especially when anxiety driven and/or argumentative. The last four of your questions demonstrate your inflated anxieties about HIV and testing. This will have to be your last one; future questions on these topics and your inflated fears will receive no reply and the posting fee will not be refunded. This policy is based on compassion, not criticism, and is intended to reduce temptations to keep paying for questions with obvious answers. In addition, experience shows that continued answers tend to prolong users' anxieties rather than reducing them (which certainly seems to be the situation now as well). Finally, such questions have little educational value for other users, one of the forum's main purposes. Thanks for your understanding.


Finally, to the extent you remain concerned about all this, I humbly suggest you go back and carefully re-read out entire discussion in #11635. It seems to me it comprehensively covers all your concerns.


HHH, MD

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11 months ago
Thank you so much doc.  I’m sorry about the different usernames.  Look doc….I forgot to ask one more question about something I found in question # 11034.    I promise you this is it.   Yes I know it was just a mistake that you wrote.   But I believe it’s in your second reply you say 

“ Some older HIV blood tests are not this accurate, but there has never been a case of HIV in which some combination of blood tests revealed the infection.“.  

You really meant to say
 “ there has never been a case of HIV in which some combination of blood tests DID NOT reveal the infection “ ?

I’m sorry I got confused on your response to this person.   Please just let me know I’m right about what I am sure you were meaning to say.  I’ll never be back after this.   Thank you doc.  I believe all my questions are done and I will believe my results.  Thanks again and God bless !!
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
11 months ago
Yes, you correctly understood my typo. Sorry.

That concludes this thread. Best wishes to you.
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