[Question #12110] Initial oral HSV1 presentation

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10 months ago
Hi! As far as I know--and based on many, many previous IgG HSV1/2 blood tests over the years, up until recently--I've somehow managed to avoid contracting either form of HSV.
This means that I'm quite paranoid about contracting HSV1 either orally or genitally. My previous question was about the latter, but now my brain is fixating a bit on oral HSV1.

Namely, I've been looking/inspecting my inner lip, noticing slight irritations or things that seem akin to chancre sores or general irritation, etc. But wondering--"could this be oral HSV?"

I fully understand the typical presentation of oral HSV and how it would generally be on the outside of the mouth, edge of lip line or elsewhere, what it looks like, etc.

But I seem to remember reading that the INITIAL or first oral HSV1 could or would occur INSIDE the mouth, which is why I'm worried now. I obviously also don't want to freak out every time I have a little abrasion or chancre sore inside my lips.

I'm guessing that an initial oral HSV1 outbreak in the mouth would be...a hard thing to miss, and would involve multiple painful sores, sore throat, fever, etc? I think I remember reading this in a now defunct forum that Dr Handsfeld contributed to.

If you could provide some clarity here it would help stop me from questioning whether every little thing inside my inner lip is actually HSV1 :)
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
10 months ago
HSV 1 can present inside the mouth, though that is less likely than presenting on the outside of the lip or inside the nares.  
You seem very focused on this issue.  If you feel strongly that you want to know if something that is happening inside your mouth, the only way to know if it is HSV for certain is to have it swab tested.  You can obtain your own PCR swabs at a website called 24/7labkit.com.  They will send you swabs that you can gather at home and return to them. They are PCR swabs so very stable in transit.
What do you think this big concern about HSV 1 (which about half the population has) is all about

Terri
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10 months ago
Thanks Terri!
Mainly my anxiety is about getting genital hsv1 via oral sex. I realize this would be quite different than genital hsv2.

Building on that, and how you think about disclosure...i know you are in favor of disclosing genital hsv1, tho seems like other medical experts have a spectrum of opinion. But I imagine then you'd be even MORE in favor of people with oral hsv1 disclosing that status before performing oral sex on someone--since the chances of acquiring hsv1 genitally that way are much much more likely than acquiring genital hsv1 from a person who also only has genital hsv1?
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
10 months ago
Yes, you are correct.  The risk is greater from someone who has oral HSV 1 giving oral sex to someone else.  The disclosure of HSV 1 genital infection is way more about trust than about transmission.  Should this come to light at a later time in a serious relationship, it can raise many questions about what else has not been disclosed.  And I've been involved in several law suits about HSV 1 transmission now, I guess that somewhat guides my recommendation.  I realize other providers may feel quite differently and I'm not saying I have the perfect answer.  But if I was HSV 1 negative (which I am not, I get cold sores) and someone with oral herpes did not disclose that to me and gave me genital HSV 1, which can also be quite severe with a primary infection, I would be very upset indeed.

terri
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9 months ago
One follow-up question! Partner of mine recently had genital symptoms, got viral swab and it came back positive for HSV1, not HSV2.
Now, as far as I know (and according to IgG test a month a half ago), I'm negative for both types of HSV. But she and I had sex, including oral sex, about 5-6 days before her symptoms.

Here's where the plot thickens: The only person she had previously had oral sex with, that occurred around 25-26 days before her symptoms started. But THAT person (she checked with them now) does have HSV1 and a history of cold sores every few years.

I'm a bit stumped here in trying to determine who passed on this genital HSV1 infection. 

+I'm assuming that, given everything I've read, the transmission route was almost certainly oral HSV1 > genital HSV1, rather than possible genital HSV1 > genital HSV1.

+Would 25-26 days be an unheard of 'incubation period,' or well within realm of possible? 

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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
9 months ago
She could have been infected for years and didn't realize it or she could have missed her first symptoms with the other partner or your HSV 1 test could have missed an infection.  The IgG test misses about 30% of HSV 1, compared to the western blot.  When you say "she had oral sex with', was that giving or receiving?  giving is not an issue here, only receiving, for her infection.

Terri
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9 months ago
She received oral sex from someone with confirmed HSV1. So mainly curious if this is the initial outbreak for her, if 25-26 days after exposure still plausible.

I get HSV1/2 IgG blood test about every quarter, because I'm paranoid about all this. I know you've said IgG can miss 30% of HSV1 infections--but does that mean some people just NEVER test positive on IgG for HSV1 even if they have it? Or would repeat testing (like in my case) sorta correct for that 30% false negative issue...
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
9 months ago
yes, some people don't test positive for HSV 1, even with repeat testing.  
And I understand that she received oral sex from someone with confirmed HSV 1.  Something that happens 25-26 days after exposure is certainly more likely to be a recurrence than a new infection, either from that exposure or one a long time ago.

Terri
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