[Question #12164] Exposure from outercourse/frottage
9 months ago
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Dear Doctors:
I'm a gay man from China, your advice has always helped me manage the fear of HIV. Unfortunately, I find myself in a concerning situation: the man I have been living with recently tested positive for HIV last week.
I did not have penetrative sex with him because I wanted us both to get tested first. Among other things I did with him, what worries me most is that, once I lied on the bed, facing him, he put his penis between and rub against my thigh and ejaculated (mostly on the bedsheet). I have eczema on my butt, which are not actively bleeding but was inflmaed at that time. So I'm worried that he can cum onto the inflamed skin or near my anus (my butt came into contact with his semen).
Other things I did with him including deep kissing, frottage (around but not into the anus), nipple sucking and biting, mutual masturbation with ejaculation and I sucked and licked his testicle but not penis base or head.
Apart from the risk evaluation of above exposure, if what he told me is true, he can be newly HIV infected (around 4 weeks to 10 weeks from his last exposure), and untreated. I've read articles saying that it is a stage where virus is extremely infectious, so I'm worried that, if the risk is 1 in a thousand in general, wouldn't it become 1 in 100 or even 10 if he is newly infected?
Thank you once again for your work; you may not realize how greatly it has helped someone like me on the other side of the world.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
9 months ago
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Welcome to the forum. Thank you for your confidence our services; I'm glad you've found the forum useful.
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On one hand, all the exposures you describe are considered zero risk for HIV, which is not known to be transmitted sexually except with penile penetration, i.e. vaginal or anal sex, and very rarely by oral sex (penis to oral). Kissing, frontage (body rubbing), genital-genital or genital-anal contact without penetration, and exposure to saliva are believed to be no risk. I doubt exposure of your eczema to infected semen or other body fluids significantly raises the chance of infection.
On the other hand, the viral load of HIV in infected persons is highest in the early stages of infection, especially the first 2-6 weeks, and you already know that exposure to newly infected persons carries the greatest risk of transmission. There are no data by which to calculate the percentage increase, so I cannot comment on the numerical risks you describe. But apparently you have had several exposures of the kinds you describe.
My advice is, first, to cease even these kinds of contact, at least until he is on effective anti-HIV treatment and documented to have a low viral load. And second, to see an HIV expert doctor or clinic for personal advice. You should at least be tested for HIV, and perhaps post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP) would be advised if any of these events occurred within the preceding 72 hours. Assuming your partner is getting care for his HIV infection, perhaps you should consider seeing the same doctor or clinic and getting personalized advice as a couple.
Do not misinterpret this advice. The chance you are infected, or will be if you continue similar sexual practices, is very low. But still, negative test results undoubtedly would help ease your worry.
I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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9 months ago
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Hi Doctor, thanks for your prompt response.
I hope I’m not splitting hairs here, I did cease such practices once I found he might have a problem, but do you mean high viral load due to recent infection can make a zero-risk event become a low risk event (which might require PEP)? If so, does it apply to kissing as well? I’m asking because the last time we had intimate contact, we kissed, but nothing else, I might need to take it into consideration now to defer my window period for testing.
After his test result, we had meals together, his spit might come into contact with my lip as we talked emotionally, we touched each other (with eczema on my hand), should I be concerned about that too or it is not a concern no matter how high his viral load is?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
9 months ago
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Yes, you are splitting hairs. There are few absolutes in medicine or human physiology. There are no data to prove such exposures are zero risk but in theory it could occur. Personally, I would not consider your exposure to be high enough risk for PEP, but all PEP decisions should be made by the patient and their doctor, not by distant forum advice.
Touching and sharing meals is zero risk of course, even if some of your partner's saliva were to get on the food.
I don't understand what is so mysterious about my advice. I would think you would value the reassurance you likely would get in being tested for HIV. But of course that's up to you.
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9 months ago
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Hi Dr Handsfield,
For sure I will get tested, I actually had received Ag/Ab duo test & RNA test and the result came back negative today, it’s just a bit too early (14 days / 10 days from last exposure where genital fluids were involved).
I’m just trying to find ease of mind while continuing the tests. Although I’m really stressed about the likelihood that I might be infected and the uncertainty due to lack of specific data.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
9 months ago
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Your test was not too soon, or barely so. The RNA test is considered conclusive at 11 days, and nearly so at 10 days. It is now nearly 100% certain you have not been infected. You can expect any further test result to remain negative.
That completes the two follow-up comments and replies included with each question and so ends this thread. I hope the discussion has been helpful. Best wishes and stay safe.
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