[Question #12172] Indonesian CSW
9 months ago
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Hello Dr.,
I had an encounter with a mid 20’s Indonesian csw in Malaysia. There was no sex. No penetration orally, vaginally or anally. For about 30 minutes I rubbed her body essentially around her chest back and buttocks. I did not touch her vagina or anus or put my hand in her mouth. She did briefly touch her vagina. She gave me a handjob and I completed by rubbing between her breasts.
One aspect concerns me though. For about roughly 1- 2 minutes she decided to sit on top of me at the base of my scrotum and rub her genital area on my scrotum. My penis was erect and essentially against her stomach so there would not be a means for penetration or the tip touch her genitalia.
When she was rubbing my penis between her breasts at the conclusion it was also slightly rough.
With those two aspects in mind - the genitalia on top of my scrotum and against the base of my shaft but not on my shaft + the rough rubbing between the breasts, am I at meaningful risk for any stds whether it be HIV, HPV, ghonorea, syphyllis, herpes and etc??
I know I’ve been here before and I’m really trying to get away from this indecency.
Thank you.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
9 months ago
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Welcome to the Forum. Thanks for your questions. I'll be glad to comment.
The activities you describe - rubbing at various areas of your and her bodies,(the formal term is "frottage"). receipt of masturbation, and possible indirect contact with her saliva after she placed her fingers in her mouth are all no risk activities for STIs and do not require any testing. While there may be a theoretical risk for acquistion of syphilis, herpes, or HPV (so-called "lesion" diseases) in truth. these theoretical risks do not translate into reality. WHO, the CDC and we all agree that there is no STI risk from the activities you describe and no reason for testing.
Please don't worry. EWH
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9 months ago
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Thank you for the prompt response, Doctor Hook. To summarize for my peace of mind:
1. The frottage that occurred where she rubbed her genitalia area on my scrotum and the base of my shaft but not my actual shaft or penile opening has no/zero risk for HIV?
2.It may have a theoretical risk for other lesion STDs but the leading authorities including you would say no realistic risk in this one off short encounter?
3. Even if she had her vaginal secretions on her hand or saliva on her hand while masturbating me that would be no risk?
4. My penis between her breasts no matter how rough/dry is no risk?
5. What if while we were moving around my penis for the briefest of moments due to motion grazed her genitalia? As in less than 2 seconds?
6. When you say theoretical risk but does not translate to reality- is that to say I should forget about this even for the case of herpes. Perhaps less than a 1-3% chance?
Thanks Doctor!
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
9 months ago
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1. The frottage that occurred where she rubbed her genitalia area on my scrotum and the base of my shaft but not my actual shaft or penile opening has no/zero risk for HIV?
CORRECT
2.It may have a theoretical risk for other lesion STDs but the leading authorities including you would say no realistic risk in this one off short encounter?
CORRECT
3. Even if she had her vaginal secretions on her hand or saliva on her hand while masturbating me that would be no risk?
CORRECT
4. My penis between her breasts no matter how rough/dry is no risk?
CORRECT
5. What if while we were moving around my penis for the briefest of moments due to motion grazed her genitalia? As in less than 2 seconds?
STILL NO RISK
6. When you say theoretical risk but does not translate to reality- is that to say I should forget about this even for the case of herpes. Perhaps less than a 1-3% chance?
YES, MY ADVICE IS TO PUT YOUR CONCERNS ASIDE AND MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT CONCERN. THE RISK OF HERPES IS VIRTUALLY ZERO. IF YOU DO NOT DEVELOP HERES LESIONS WITHIN 10 DAYS OF YOUR ENCOUNTER, YOU WILL NOT. WE ADVISE AGAINST BLOOD TESTS FOR HERPES AS FALSELY POSITIVE RESULTS ARE COMMON AND MISLEADING
You have 1 follow-up remaining. EWH
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