[Question #12641] Should I worry?

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6 months ago

Dear doctors, thank you very much for this forum and for the many responses that have lifted my spirit.

My fears are probably exaggerated, but reading a lot of websites, both in my language (Polish) and in English, has me struggling with an onslaught of conflicting information.

So:

The first situation - on January 13, 2025 I was at an erotic massage, the woman massaged me with her whole naked body, probably not “riding” me with her vagina. Significantly, I myself was completely naked, the end was between her breasts. Significantly, however, four hours before the massage I cut my finger very badly. I probably had no other wounds on my body, maybe small scratches, or the only danger could have been a pimple bursting on my body during the massage (but that's hypothetical).

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The second situation - on January 28, 2025 I was at another erotic massage, the woman was wearing a bodysuit and covered intimate zones so I am not afraid of contact with her vaginal secretions, while the massage ended in such a way that after massaging my penis, she put a condom on with her mouth and gave me a blowjob. The condom 99% did not break. What is important, however, is that I felt a burning sensation on my penis before putting the condom on (perhaps from the oil), but I did not see any blood.

There was no penetration during both of these situations.

On February 3, I performed a 4th generation test - Abbott Alinity I, the result was non-reactive.

My questions are as follows:

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1. Regarding the first situation - was the wound on the finger (after cutting it actively bled for a few minutes), already sufficiently healed after four hours, if it came into contact with blood on the body of the masseuse, or with her vaginal secretions? I have read that a wound to be a route of transmission for HIV would have to be actively bleeding? What does this mean? Is a cracked pimple, for example, a sufficient wound to transmit hiv if it comes into contact with blood or vaginal secretions, or does it have to be a much larger wound? How big does a wound outside the body have to be to be a source of HIV transmission? Is it risky for an infected person to “run his vagina over his penis” during a massage?

2. regarding the second situation - can irritated skin on the penis, reddened but not bleeding (I did not see blood in any case) be a route of HIV transmission? Can putting a condom on with your mouth lead to a risky situation? Maybe this is a stupid question, yet my doctor said it is risky because I don't know if the masseuse didn't have blood in her mouth? How big would the possible wound in the mouth have to be for it to pose a risk to the person receiving fellatio? Is it true that fellatio could only be dangerous if I had a bleeding wound on my penis and my partner had a very large bleeding in her mouth (such as after a tooth extraction), while small wounds resulting from afts or gum irritation are not dangerous?

3 Should I be worried about these situations?

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4. does the result of the test already allow me to forget about the first incident?

5. what is the effectiveness of the 4th generation test after 2 and 3 weeks? Even on this forum I have seen different answers as to the effectiveness of the results (I understand that it is a matter of scientific development)?

6. how big is the risk of a false positive? I want to test myself every week until 6 weeks after the second event, because my mental state is very bad, but I am afraid of a false positive, and I can't find information anywhere about what the chance of such a result is. Especially since it is currently flu season and I have read that going through the flu can affect the test. Besides, I do not take any medication constantly.

7.Why so much conflicting information about the possibility of getting infected by receiving oral sex on the Internet? Is it true that all the studies that have been done (including the one done in Spain in the 1990s) confirm that there is no risk in receiving fellatio?

Thank you for your answers.

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6 months ago
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
6 months ago
Welcome to our Forum.  You have far exceeded the word limit for questions which could have been stated much more succinctly.  The exposures you describe were no risk events.  If there is no penetration, there is no risk.  Similarly, receipt of condom protected oral sex is also a virtually no risk event. Neither of these two encounters are of any concern and there is no medical need for testing.  That you cut yourself 4 hours before an encounter does not change this assessment.  As brief responses to your specific questions:

1.  As stated above, the recent cut on your finger does not change the no risk nature of your encounter, even if your  partner's genital secretions were in contact.  To transmit HIV through a cut or puncture, the infected material must go deep into tissue.  Like an injection.

2.  As already stated this was a no risk event.  The irritation on your penis may have been from lubricant or friction.

3.  I see no medical reason for testing.  If you choose to test for the peace of mind a negative test provides, I recommend that you wait until 6 weeks after your encounter to test.  At that time the result will be conclusive.

4.  No, that test was not totally conclusive however, as I have already said, that was a no risk encounter.  At 4 weeks a test would detect 98-99% of all recent infections and tests would not be entirely conclusive until 6 weeks.

5.  At 2-3 weeks I would not have complete confidence in a test result.  The test would detect somewhere in the area of 50% of recent infections- not enough to be confident.

6.  Testing every week is a waste of time.  The risk is close to zero.  Just wait until at least 4 weeks.  There is little risk of false positive tests but they do occur and repeat testing increases the risk.

7.  The internet is a common source of misinformation.  Much of what is there is out of context, out of date or just plain wrong.  There are no proven cases in which HIV has been acquired from receipt of oral sex.

I hope this information is helpful.  Please keep any follow-ups brief.  EWH
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6 months ago
Doctor, thank you very much for your concise answers, I wanted to ask about everything in one message, that's why it was so long. I have three last questions: 

1. You are talking about "virtually zero risk" because infections cannot occur this way in real life and although it would theoretically be possible to become infected with HIV in this way, it would only be possible in an artificially generated situation? 

2. If you were me, would you get tested? Should I be calm and relaxed?

3. The day after the second exposure, my penis began to itch and red marks appeared on it, as if it had been chafed from excessive washing. That's what my doctor says. Is it too early for any infection? 

Thank you for giving me hope and improving my mood. I won't have any more questions.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
6 months ago
1.. in science and medicine there are few, if any absolutes.  As a result, nothing is truly zero risk because someday, somehow, somewhere some person might acquire an infection that way. Think of it the same way as a statement telling you that your risk of being struck by lightning while reading this text is virtually zero.

2.  As I said above, I see no medical or scientific reason for testing at all. Some of our clients appreciate the additional comfort that comes with a negative test. If you choose to test, I am confident the result will show that you are not infected.

3.  No STI, including HIV, would cause symptoms just two days after an exposure.  I agree with your doctor.

You have one follow up remaining. EWH.
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6 months ago
Doctor, thank you very much for answering my questions.

Taking advantage of the opportunity to write final questions.

I realize that medicine clearly shows that I have nothing to fear, but the subconscious threat of even the theoretical possibility of contracting HIV terrifies me very much. I realize that I should feel safe because it was only fellatio, with a condom, with a woman who does not have vaginal or anal sex with clients, which allows me to suggest that she was not infected at all. But I haven't eaten almost anything for two weeks, my private and professional life is very affected by this fear. On the other hand, I am aware that if HIV was transmitted through fellatio, we would not be dealing with tens of millions of people infected worldwide, but hundreds of millions. Therefore, I would like to ask you one last question:

1. Does putting a condom on through the mouth by the masseuse or anyone else (assuming the person is infected) have any significant impact on the possibility of infection?

2. For my peace of mind, could you recommend me some research on the possibility of HIV transmission through oral sex, reading which would help me calm down a bit? While searching the Internet, I found information about a study conducted by Spanish doctors regarding the possibility of HIV transmission in this way in couples where one person was infected with HIV and for a period of several years, no transmission through oral sex was demonstrated. Is it reliable?
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
6 months ago
You are introductory comment shows considerable insight into the facts related to HIV risk and demonstrates a disconnect between your fears and the facts regarding the matter. I would remind you that just there is a theoretical risk of acquiring HIV from receiving oral sex, there is also a theoretical risk that you will be struck by lightning while reading this reply. Neither is something to worry about.

1.  There is no reason to think and no data to support the idea, that having a condom placed on your penis from the mouth of a partner performing oral sex on you increases your risk for infection in any way.

2.  I agree with the conclusion that you mentioned regarding the study that you mentioned. At this moment, I do not have access to a list of references on the topic. You might look at the paper you found on the Internet and check its reference list for additional information.

As you know, with this comment, this thread is now complete and is being closed. Take care. I wish you the best. EWH.
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