[Question #12797] Error in judgement
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5 months ago
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Hello,
My concerns are as follows. Recently I met up with a girl. I open mouth kissed her. At that time I had a lesion / sore in my mouth. We then went in a bath tub. While in the bath tub I inserted my fingers in her vagina. My concern is I have a puppy with sharp teeth. She sometimes bites my fingers. I did check before insertion and I saw no visible open wounds.
1. Is kissing with a sore in my mouth a risk?
2. Did fingering her (no open wounds but maybe some I couldn’t see from the puppy) a risk ?
3. The fingering was performed under water in the bathtub. Would that affect my finger exposure?
4. Can I just forget this happened and resume sexual activity with my regular partner?
5. How long after symptoms (Ars) do you have to wait to test to rule out Ars with a 3rd or 4th gen test?
6. When is to late to be ARS?
Thank you.
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5 months ago
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Last question:
7. Six days after this happened I woke up slightly hot with minor sweat. I took my temperature . No fever. Does this mean anything? (Today is day 8 after risk)
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
5 months ago
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Welcome back, but I'm sorry you found it necessary. Your recent sexual event and these questions are very similar to those you asked on the forum a little under a year ago. As discussed then, in most of the world HIV is rare in women; and when present, is not transmitted without sexual intercourse, i.e. penis in vagina or rectum.
Just as for your previous question, this was a completely safe sexual experience with no possibility of catching HIV.
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1. No, kissing does not risk HIV, regardless of sores tin the mouth.
2,3. Fingering does not reaansmit HIV or other STIs, regardless whether or not done under water.
4. Yes you should "forget this happened and resume sexual activity with [your] regular partner."
5. You should not be tested for HIV. If you decide to be tested, you can have a conclusive HIV PCR RNA test 11 days or more after the event; or a conclusive antigen-antibody (AbAb, 4thgeneration) blood test after 6 weeks.
5. ARS usually starts 8-10 days after exposure, sometimes up to two weeks.
7. Sweating means nothing. It does not suggest HIV.
Symptoms almost never help in deciding whether someone has ARS or whether they need testing. If you think you have symptoms, pay no attention to them. Despite much online advice, symptoms rarely help judge new HIV infection. Many newly infected people have no symptoms; and even with typical ARS symptoms, the vast majority do NOT have. Other conditions, mostly not serious, are more common causes of the same symptoms. Only lab tests are helpful in determining whether or not you have HIV.
Let me know if anything isn't clear. But please read my replies carefully and do not ask anything that already has been answered. Thank you.
HHH, MD
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5 months ago
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Doctor-
Thanks for your response. I am just feeling so anxious. Knowing what you know.
Can I forgo testing and feel confident I am ok?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
5 months ago
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Yes you can forego testing and feel confident. See my answer to question 5.---
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5 months ago
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Thank you. I feel much better.
1. Is it safe to assume that you saw where I stated my puppy sometimes bites on my fingers but never has drawn blood (Thats obviously why I asked about the fingering)??
2. When is the latest ARS can start??
3. When is hiv 2 ruled out via tests?
I will get back to my normal sexual activities including unprotected sex with my wife. Thanks for your help!
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5 months ago
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4. From reading other responses it seems that minor visible scratches cuts, etc on the fingers makes no difference regarding hiv infection. I believe I had none that were visible on my fingers. Please confirm.
Thanks
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
5 months ago
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1. Oh come on. Obviously this cannot increase risk. There has never been a case of HIV known to be caught by fingering -- and there must have been billions of fingering events in the presents of finger wounds, cuts, etc. And of course no possibility if the skin wasn't broken or bleeding.
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2. This doesnt matter; I have explained why you should ignore ARS or symptoms.
3. HSV2 testing is not recommended after any sexual exposure. The tests are not reliable enough to be used in this way. Don't do it: it is far more likely to have a falsely positive result than to detect a new HSV2 infection.
That completes the two follow-up comments and replies included with each question and so ends this thread. Please note the forum policy against repeated questions on the same topic especially when anxiety driven. This being your second about near-zero risk sexual practices, it must be your last. Repeated anxiety driven questions are subject to being deleted without reply and without refund of the posting fee. We're not keen on collecting fees for questions with obvious answers; repeated replies often prolong anxiety rather than relieving it (there's so often a "yes but" or "could I be the exception" sort of thinking); and such questions have reduced education value for other users, one of the forum's goals. Thank you for your understanding.