[Question #13037] Further Anxiety with Viral Infections
2 months ago
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Hi Dr,
To recap:
January 10th:
Escort 1 - Body rub and handjob only
Escort 2 - French kissing, very brief unprotected fellatio, protected vaginal sex (looked like she had back acne, did not look like herpes sores to me)
6 Weeks after the previous encounters:
Had full screening which came back negative for Gon, Chlam, Syphilis, HIV, HSV1 & HSV2
March 17th:
Escort 3 - body rub, handjob and protected fellatio only
April 14th:
Escort 4 - French kissing, unprotected fellatio, protected vaginal sex
Escort 5 - French Kissing, received protected fellatio & unprotected rimming, performed unprotected cunnilingus and unprotected rimming (I engaged with this person twice)
Escort 6 - French kissing, unprotected vigorous deepthroat and fellatio, protected anal and protected vaginal sex.
26 April (10 days after April exposures):
Tested for Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Syphilis, HIV, and also Hepatitis B antigens I think, which all came out negative.
25 May (6 weeks after April exposures):
Tested negative for Chlamydia, Syphilis, HIV and Gonorrhea.
The April encounters were the last time I had any exposure, and now six weeks post those last exposures I am now confident that I am clear of Chlamydia, Syphilis, HIV and Gonorrhea. However I am now worried about HPV, HSV1, HSV2 and Hepatitis B. I have also had absolutely zero symptoms so far. My questions are as follows:
1. What is the likelihood that I have any of these other STDs? I am particularly worried because I read online that these other STDs can present without symptoms and I am worried that I have unknowingly infected my wife.
2. If somehow you were in my situation, should I be worried about continuing unprotected sex with my wife?
3. Would you recommend that I test for these other STDs?
2 months ago
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Just to add, I guess I am just especially worried about HSV1, HSV2, HPV and Hepatitis B because apparently it is a lot more common than things like Syphilis. Thank you so much.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
2 months ago
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Welcome back, but I do not understand why you found it necessary. I reviewed your discussion with Dr. Hook and agree entirely with his advice. There was no point in repeating these details about your sexual exposures; regardless of the risk at the time of those events, your test results have shown you have no STI. And the exposures were all zero risk anyway, and that include HSV1 and 2, HPV, and hepatitis B.
1. " What is the likelihood that I have any of these other STDs?" Zero. There is no chance you have infected your wife.
2. If somehow I were in my situation I would not be at all worried about my wife.
3. You should not be tested. The tests for HSV are not reliable enough to use in this situation; there are no available tests for HPV; and you are wrong about hep B being common and you weren't at risk. But you could speak with your doctor about being tested for it if you wish, but it will be a waste of money, time, and emotional energy. Anyway, probably you were vaccinated against HBV when you were young and are immune.
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Do not ask for clarification. There is nothing you will think of that has any possibility of changing the advice you have had from Dr. Hook and now from me.
HHH, MD
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2 months ago
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Dear Dr,
Thank you so much for that. I understand it may be frustrating for you to keep answering my questions and I will try to make this my last one. Just to be clear, all these exposures happened this year and it was only one of first time I tested (which was only 6 weeks after the January exposures but BEFORE the subsequent exposures in March and April) where HSV tests were included. The subsequent tests did not include HSV tests. I guess I’m just wary because I read a lot here that HSV1 & HSV2 is far more common than other stds and I believe that from what I see here kissing, unprotected oral, protected anal as well as vaginal sex; all carry some risks (with condoms being less effective here than say chlam). Can you please elaborate on this (hopefully for the last time)? If your advice remains the same then I can rest assured - just making sure that you do not misunderstand the timeline. Thank you so much.
2 months ago
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And with HSV1 and HSV2 I read here that you can assume that you don’t have them if symptoms do not appear within 12 days (i could be wrong), but also that it can is asymptomatic in most people - so I’m a bit confused with the conflicting information. Please elaborate if you don’t mind. Thank you so much.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
2 months ago
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It isn't frustrating at all when the questions differ. But users should not expect to repeat the same questions.
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It isn't true that herpes is "far more common" than most STDs. It is more prevalent than most, i.e. there are more people with HSV1 and 2 than with, say, gonorrhea and chlamydia. But that's because HSV persists for life. The incidence -- the number of new infections and the risk from any single exposure -- are lower for most persons at risk for STD than the risks of gonorrhea or chlamydia.
No, I didn't clearly understand the timeline. But the nature of the exposures described is the main basis for my evaluation and advice. You were at little or no risk for either HSV1 or HSV2.
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2 months ago
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Dear Dr,
Thank you for that. I understand now higher prevalence does not necessarily mean that it is more likely for one to get HSV. I guess public information regarding STDs are always on the conservative side to encourage people to be careful. I have this last question that you do not have to answer if you don’t have to, as I’m just asking it more for the sake of using up my last follow up rather than anxiety. My question is that is the low transmission rate the reason why doctors don’t normally suggest HSV tests with general sti screenings? Why is it that Hiv, Gon, Chlam and Syphilis the only ones that doctors make you test for usually? Thank you so much, and again you do not have to answer if you don’t want to.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
2 months ago
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Thanks for this question: it's something I know well. It's an opportunity for one of my occasional blog-like replies that may be useful for some readers.
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Many years ago, in two one year terms as a visiting scientist at CDC, I led efforts to evaluate and potentially revise CDC's policies and recommendations about HSV, especially prevention strategies. There are several reasons CDC and most other public health agencies -- including CDC's counterparts in other countries -- do not recommend routine HSV testing. The tests are not very good -- inherently unreliable whether negative or positive (especially for HSV1), unlike tests for other STDs. Even in truly infected persons, there isn't much to be done, especially in people infected without symptoms -- i.e. no easy treatment, unlike single dose treatment for gonorrhea, chlamydia and syphilis. Herpes has its important complications but in general these are uncommon; many or most infected people and their partners experience little health impact, and testing can elevate anxieties without much solution to them. Further, many or most people just don't care very much; they understand that herpes usually (not always!) is a minor health problem that doesn't seem important. All this is further complicated because understanding test results and how to treat and otherwise manage herpes are complex, presenting challenges in physician education for effective managing and advising patients. All these issues are in contrast to HIV, syphilis, chlamydia and gonorrhea.
This isn't straightforward and there is controversy about these issues. Many sexually active persons care deeply about herpes, and all thinking people hope for better prevention someday. There are many superb experts (including our forum co-moderator Terri Warren, who manages most herpes questions) who continue to promote herpes prevention as a high priority and would be more proactive than the current CDC policies are. Things may change as research progresses and knowledge improves, if we have better tests and if research is effective in developing a vaccine or simplified treatment. But that's more or less where things stand at this time.
That concludes this thread. I hope the discussion has been helpful. Please note the forum policy against repeated questions on the same topic, especially when anxiety driven. Thanks for your understanding.
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