[Question #13257] HIV Risk Inquiry, breast milk

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1 months ago

I hope you're doing well.
I wanted to ask for your expert opinion on a possible HIV risk. On January 7, I received a handjob and breast rubbing (with massage oil) from a masseuse. She wore pants the whole time, had no visible hand wounds, and there was no genital-genital contact or penetration. However, I worry that if any breast milk — possibly expressed from her nipples at that time — mixed with the massage oil, it may have touched my urethra during the breast rubbing.

I tested HIV Ag/Ab negative at 31, 51, and 116 days after the event.

1. Do I face any HIV risk from this situation? 

2. Would these negative results be considered conclusive even if this were a high-risk exposure?
3. Does the HIV Ag/Ab test always rule out infection if negative after the window period of 6 weeks or 90 days?
4. Have you ever seen or heard of anyone getting HIV this way?

Thanks so much for your time.

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Edward W. Hook M.D.
1 months ago
Welcome to the Forum.  Thanks for your questions.  I'll be glad to comment.  The encounter you describe was no risk, even if your masseuse was lactating which would have been obvious if present.  If you had asked if you needed testing, my response would have been than no testing is needed.  Your HIV test results provide absolutely conclusive proof that you were not infected.  Both the 51 and 116 day test results are conclusive.  

In response to your specific questions:
1. Do I face any HIV risk from this situation? 
No, no risk at all

2. Would these negative results be considered conclusive even if this were a high-risk exposure?

Yes, your results are absolutely conclusive.


3. Does the HIV Ag/Ab test always rule out infection if negative after the window period of 6 weeks or 90 days?

Yes


4. Have you ever seen or heard of anyone getting HIV this way?

No, I have never seen nor heard of someone acquiring HIV from an exposure of the sort you describe.


I hope that his infoormation is helpful.  Please don't worry.  EWH



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1 months ago

Thank you for your reassuring reply. I also really doubt the masseuse was lactating—there were no signs of recent childbirth, no visible milk, and the way she acted (proactively rubbing oil on her own breasts and letting me ejaculate on them during the breast rubbing) makes it seem even more unlikely. She also gave my penis a quick check before starting, which shows she was being careful about hygiene.

Just for peace of mind—could you please explain why, even if some breast milk had come into contact with my urethra, there still wouldn’t be any risk of HIV transmission?

I’m based in Malaysia, and my HIV Ag/Ab tests at 31, 51, and 116 days post-exposure were conducted using the CMIA method at a JCI-accredited laboratory. 


1. From everything I’ve read, the 51-day result is already considered 100% conclusive, and the 116-day test was probably unnecessary—just added absolutely  confirmation that I wasn’t infected. Could you please confirm if that’s correct?

2. Even if I had experienced a truly high-risk exposure like a needlestick injury or unprotected receptive anal sex (which I didn’t), would my results still completely rule out HIV?


Thank you again for your time and expertise!

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Edward W. Hook M.D.
1 months ago
Breast milk, even during contact of the sort you describe does not get introduced far enough or with enough friction to cause infection.  There has NEVER been a case of HIV acquired in the manner you describe. You are not going to be the first.

1.  This statement is correct.

2.  Yes

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I encourage you to stop worrying needlessly.  EWH
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1 months ago

Thanks again for your support — it really means a lot.

Just to clarify: when I mentioned "breast rubbing," I meant intermammary sex — my penis was massaged between the masseuse’s breasts with oil, and I ejaculated. Some breast milk may have been present.

  1. Would that change your assessment?

Given that this act carries no HIV risk, and that my Ag/Ab tests at 51 and 116 days conclusively rule out infection — even in high-risk cases — can I confidently say:

  1. I do not have HIV,

  2. There are no health consequences (I also tested negative on a full STD panel),

  3. And I can fully move on, put this behind me, and live as though it never happened?

I really appreciate your time and guidance. Thank you again.

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Edward W. Hook M.D.
30 days ago
1.  I understood what you meant. No change in my ass assessment.
2.  Correct
3.  Correct
4. Yes, you certainly can. I encourage you to do just that. It’s time for you to move forward without concern.

EWH
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28 days ago

Sorry, I just remembered a few more details — mainly about my wife’s symptoms.

Thanks again for all your help. Just to add — I had unprotected sex with my wife on Jan 19. When I got tested for HIV at days 31 (Feb 7), 51 (Feb 27), and 116 (May 3), I also did syphilis tests (RPR/VDRL) at the same time — all done via blood draw at a clinic, and all were negative. My wife had one HIV Ag/Ab and RPR/VDRL test via blood draw at the clinic on Feb 27, which was also negative. She had a 3-day fever starting around March 15, 1–2 days after returning from a cold country on an overnight flight. She also had some mild diarrhea, possibly from taking two tablets of amoxicillin. The fever went away after taking Uphamol (paracetamol).

Given all this, can I confidently say I don’t have syphilis or HIV, and that I didn’t pass anything to her? And have you ever seen or heard of someone getting syphilis from the kind of contact I described?

Really appreciate your time.

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Edward W. Hook M.D.
28 days ago
This thread should’ve been closed after my third reply. I will provide brief responses and then the thread will be closed. There should be no need to return with additional questions.

You are negative test prove that you did not have HIV or syphilis. Persons with negative tests will not transmit infections. Your wife’s negative tests confirm that you could not have transmitted HIV or syphilis to her.

Either if this nor HIV are transmitted by the sorts of contacts you describe. I hope my responses are reassuring. There is no need for further testing or continuing concern. EWH.
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