[Question #13920] New oral exposure

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1 months ago
Dear Dr Hook / Dr Handsfield, I have another enquiry regarding insertive oral. On 9th March i received an unprotected BJ from a CSW in Bangkok. it took nearly 10 minutes to finish with some masturbation which may have caused some micro trauma. about a week later, i felt slightly unwell: dizzy and mildly feverish for a couple of days. More alarmingly i felt a stinging pain in the right side of my penis. 3 days later, it was red and weeping at the sulcus area of the foreskin remnant (i'm circumcized) and in 2 days it had also started on the other side of the penis just beind the head. i figured it was some kind of balanitis due to a fungal overgrowth. I guessed it was probably related to the BJ the week before. it's a tricky area to treat as it is closed most of the time and moisture builds up. it seems to be healing almost a week after applying clotrimazole / betamethasone. in your opinion, could this be due to the sexual activity? i've started having some fears of hiv, due to also having developed a small mouth ulcer on the lower back of my gum, and now i have aching thighs for a few days now and what seems to be an upset stomach (mild gastritis). I remember you stressed how low the risk of this activity is, although i'm just so worried about this bundle of strange symptoms. i know from prior experience that some of these symptoms can maybe be put down to stress, but the initial infection suggests some kind of lowered immunity.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
1 months ago
Welcome back to the Forum.  It's difficult to say what your current illness might be although I'm confident that it does not sound like HIV which I know you worry about.  As you know from our past exchanges, you can prove this by getting a 4th generation HIV test at this time- if your symptoms were due to HIV, the test would be positive.  

Regarding the inflammatory process involving your penis, there are more questions than answers.  You could certainly have balanitis which is now responding to treatment - that's the most likely diagnosis.  The other outside possibility is that the weeping lesions you experienced could be herpes although this is unlikely.  Certainly any weeping, inflammatory lesion could be herpes although I'm skeptical that this is the case.  These are the reasons that I doubt that this is herpes:
1. Virtually all initial herpes lesions appear within 9 to 10 days of an exposure- none of us has ever seen someone how developed herpes lesions beyond 10 days and in most occasions, this happens at 5-7 days.  Your weeping lesions were detected rather late to be herpes.
2.  When persons develop genital herpes from receipt of oral sex the infection is almost always due to HSV-1, not HSV-2.  If you get cold sores, you could not have acquired genital HSV-1 due to the immunity from previous infection.  If you do not know you have HSV, there is still a greater than 50% chance that you have HSV-1.

What to do.  As I mentioned above, you can get a 4th generation test for HIV and prove that this is not HIV.  If you wish to pursue the (low) possibility of HSV and lesions/irritation is still present, a PCR test for herpes may be helpful.  

I hope this information is helpful.  I am confident that this is not HIV and doubt that it is herpes. If there are further questions, you have up to 2 follow-ups. EWH 

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1 months ago
Dr Hook,
The redness has mostly disappeared, I will continue the clotrimazole for a few more days. That would mean it was a fungal overgrowth.

I still have ongoing symptoms such as fatigue , flushing , inguinal lymph nodes etc, although I’ve had these in other hiv related crises. I’m going to try and keep it together until I test on 11th April (earliest time I can test due to work).

I need to keep my mind off it. I had this thought: HIV is associated with opportunistic fungal infections, and one appeared on the penis. Would an entry site for HIV undergo “local” immune cell depletion before it became systemic? I just had that thought and it’s kind of set me off on a bit of a panic.

Also, what are your thoughts on prep on demand for someone like me that occasionally gets into “trouble”.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
1 months ago
The response of your possible balanitis seems to confirm that this was a fungal process.  Whether or not it was related to the encounter you described remains unclear- the timing is off ( immediate onset would be more consistent with it originating from your exposure).  Most persons with fungal balanitis do not have HIV and there is no reason to think that you do.

PrEP on demand should be a decision you make with your doctor.  Receipt of oral sex however would not warrant PrEP or PEP however.  Try not to worry.

One follow up remaining.   EWH
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1 months ago
Dear Dr Hook. I read on chatGPT that ulcers can appear at the entry site of hiv ie the foreskin. My “ulcers” appeared around a week accompanied by a mild fever and body aches for few days about a week after the bj and although it went away with the application of the clotrimazole. The small mouth ulcer that appeared a few days later then subsided after a week and now for the last week or so (just over 2 weeks post exposure) , I have have flushing feeling, pulsation tinnitus , aches in the groin and armpit and fatigue. I’m very very pessimistic about being hiv infected. I think I may have inadvertently opened micro tears in the foreskin by masturbating during the bj as the sores were exactly where my fingers may have gripped. The other odd symptom is Sebhoreic dermatitis on the rim of my ear , which I normally don’t get. Strangely it’s gone away on the rest of my face.
I will be able to test in a few days, but like I said I’m expecting the worst.
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1 months ago
I’m sorry for the ill-presented last response. It’s not easy to write fluently on a mobile device.
What are your thoughts on the hiv related ulcer possibility?
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
1 months ago
Final Answer. Please do not return with further anxiety-driven questions based on internet misinformation.

We spend much of our time on the Forum struggling to correct internet based mis-information.  Chat GPT and other AI platforms collect "information"  from the internet and then summarize it.  When there sources collect incorrect information that is incorrect, their summaries are incorrect and misleading as well.  That is the case here.

HIV does NOT cause genital ulcerations.  When genital ulcerations are present at the time of an exposure, the risk of HIV increases somewhat because the open sores can provide a site of easier entry of the virus.  

As explained above, your fears are misplaced.  When you get the test that you still have not gotten, it will show that you do not have HIV.  No change in my assessment or advice other than that Chat GPT is a poor source of health information

This thread is now complete.  There should be no need to return.  EWH
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