[Question #14056] Protected vaginal intercourse with condom slipping off during withdrawalHello Dr

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1 months ago

Hello Doctors,

I am a heterosexual male from Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, and had an encounter with a female sex worker approximately 6 hours ago at a regulated establishment in Puerto Vallarta.

Vaginal intercourse was condom protected from the beginning. I did not ejaculate at any point before the event in question.

Near the end of intercourse, I withdrew my penis from her vagina and immediately noticed that the condom was no longer on my penis. At that same moment, the woman told me that the condom had just come off. The condom was visibly hanging from the vaginal opening when I saw it. I removed it and immediately put on a new condom before continuing.

There was no visible blood, trauma, or rough sex. The woman stated that there had not been any unprotected intercourse and that the condom came off at the moment I withdrew. Based on what I observed, that seems plausible, although I cannot know with certainty exactly when the condom detached.

The woman appeared to be approximately 30 years old and was working at a regulated establishment. I do not know her HIV status.

My questions are:

  1. Based on this description, would you consider this a meaningful HIV exposure?

  2. In your opinion, would HIV PEP be recommended, optional, or unnecessary?

  3. Beyond HIV, would you consider this a significant exposure for other STIs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, herpes, or hepatitis B?

  4. Given the circumstances, would you recommend doxycycline PEP?

  5. If you were counseling a patient with this exact exposure, would you recommend any HIV or STI testing at all?

  6. If HIV testing is reasonable for reassurance, would a negative 4th-generation HIV test at 4 weeks be considered conclusive or sufficiently reassuring?

Thank you very much for your time.

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1 months ago

 I just remembered an additional detail that I think its impotant.

The additional detail concerns an event that occurred afterward. Approximately 10 minutes after vaginal intercourse ended, the same condom that had been used during intercourse was picked up from the floor and reused. The woman placed her fingers inside the previously used condom, added lubricant, and then inserted those condom-covered fingers into my anus.

My concern is that the condom had previously been in contact with vaginal secretions during intercourse and that those secretions may have subsequently come into contact with my rectal mucosa during the anal fingering. However, the condom had been off my penis and on the floor for approximately 10 minutes before being reused in this manner.

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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
1 months ago
Welcome back and thanks for your continued confidence in our services, several years after a previous question.

Condom protection is considered complete when the penis withdraws from a condom that remains in a partner's vagina. In addition and equally important, the likelihood your partner has HIV ("working at a regulated establishment" probably is low. And even with no condom at all, the average risk to a male partner from vaginal sex with an HIV infected female has been estimated to be under one chance in 2,000.

Before going to your numbered questions, the possibility the condom was re-used probably is zero. I cannot imagine why any sex worker would do such a thing, and certainly nobody would use an unpackaged condom lying on the floor. That's simply nonsense and not worth further discussion. But even if those things had happened, your risk from such a thing probably would remain zero.

Now to your questions:

1. No, I would not consider this a meaningful HIV exposure.

2. If I were your doctor seeing you in a clinic, I would not advise PEP in this situation, even as an option.

3. The risks of other STIs also were very low, probably zero.
4. No, I would not advise doxyPEP (doxycycline post-exposure prophylaxis).

5,6. Perhaps you have read other forum questions and our replies, because we very often discuss the difference between medical/risk need for testing and testing for reassurance. Have you seen those comments? In essence, confidence and reassurance indeed are valid reasons for testing even if the actual risk is zero or extremely low. As implied by my comments above, you don't need testing on account of the risk level, but certainly are free to do so if you wish. In that case I would advise a urine gonorrhea/chlamydia test 5 days or more after the exposure and an HIV AgAb (4th generation) blood test and a syphilis blood test after 6 weeks. I would not advise any other tests of any kind.

I hope this reply is helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.

HHH, MD
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1 months ago

Thank you very much, Dr. Handsfield. Your explanation has been extremely helpful and reassuring.

Just one final question: based on your assessment that this was not a meaningful HIV exposure and that the risk of other STIs was very low, would you consider it safe for me to have unprotected sex with my regular partner, or would you recommend waiting for any testing first?

Thank you again for your time and expertise

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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
1 months ago
While there can be no guarantees, there is simply no realistic chance you caught anything and if somehow I were in your circumstances, I would continue unprotected sex with my wife with no worries. I suggest you do the same.---
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1 months ago

Hi Doctor,

I remembered one additional detail about the encounter. At one point, I inserted two fingers into the woman's anus for a short period of time. I had no cuts, abrasions, bleeding, or visible skin damage on my fingers, and I do not recall seeing any blood.

Does this detail change your assessment of my HIV risk in any way? Would this still be considered a zero-risk exposure in practical terms?

Thank you.

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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
1 months ago
Fingering either a partner's vagina or anus is no risk for HIV -- at least there have been no known cases in which such exposure was the only possible contact with the virus. So the answer is no:  this information doesn't change my assessment; still no risk for HIV.

That completes the two follow-up comments and replies included with each question and so ends this thread. I hope the discussion has been helpful. Best wishes and stay safe.

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