[Question #1830] touched with diseased hands

42 months ago

Sunday I went to a massage parlor named Taiji rubbing in ny I got a massage from one of the Asian girls My back was sore so I thought I’d get some relief after she massaged my back, sides, arms, neck, hands,  fingers, scalp and strangely my face. I went to go tip her and she when she went to take the tip I offered her she said I have very dry hands. I thought to myself why would she have dry hands when she massages people with oil on her hands all day long.

After I left I thought omg she touched my face and maybe she gives happy endings all day long. I went to cvs to purchase some cleanser In the form of antibacterial wipes and scrubbed my face clean.

I went home and took a shower and washed my face again. around 3 am I started to have a little itch on my face and I though what’s going on.

Monday came around and my scalp started to itch and this time on the sides of my face it felt red near my temples and a little bit of pain. The pain was mostly around my eyes on the sides near my temple my scalp in various places and a sensation of tightness on my face near the eyes with a itchy nose and chin. Monday I went to my physical trainer and she told me not to worry about it but she was mad because she said I hate men that think all massage people do is give hand jobs. Tuesday my hands hand fingers started having pain in the finger tips and my arms started feeling a little painful near my biceps and my triceps. Wed my back started itching and my stomach started itching.

The itch is not constant but always in the same place it seems to come and go so Thursday today I went and spoke to a dermatologist there are no bumps / pimples to show be he looked at my face for a few seconds with a light literally no more than 6 seconds and said here use this face wash and come back in 2 weeks I think it might be dermatitis. I only talked to him about my face and our visit lasted no more than 5 min I really didn’t get to explain myself or the other body parts. Im fearing this is herpes from the Pain and Itch and the longevity of the itching after so many days and showers and face cleanings with moisturizers as I write this the side of my face had a pain near my right temple and im becoming itchy on more parts of my body shouldn’t this go away and not progressively get worse. Please give me information on this. I have read the similar questions on other sites but I didn’t get a happy ending but every place she touched is getting worse day after day. 

Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
42 months ago
I'm a little confused - so she did a massage for you but did she also give you a "happy ending massage?" 
If that is the case, I honestly think that you are NOT at risk of herpes or any other STI.
But before I can fully answer your question, you need to answer mine about the massage

Terri
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42 months ago
no she never gave me a happy ending she just just massaged my body.. back, neck, head, face, arms, hands. and its been itching on all those places. the itch is intense, no bumps so far just pain sensitivity and super itching especially on the face and stomach. with pain in the arms face around the temples and eyes and back of the neck. that has progressively gotten worse first day it was the face and scalp then the arms with pain in the arms by the biceps then the next day a lot of itching on the stomach that is constantly there. ive washed a lot used hydrocortizone cream and just now i came in the house after buying benadryl. i have had random feelings of what i could best describe and pin pricks in my face like zaps of electricity or being stuck with a needles along with the itching. but no happy ending. 
42 months ago
but i found out since then that the Asian girls in the place defiantly be giving happy ending to other people after taking the bynadril two hours later the itch is still there on my face and arms i can feel it and there is still a burn defiantly they give happy ending to other people i had my friend go in and ask for one she say how you know and say 50 dollars extra. i'm thinking oils would not make me itch this long i dont know what i could do about it like report this place.
Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
42 months ago
Even if they give sexual massages to other people, I don't believe for a moment that you acquired a sexually transmitted infection through this contact.  And I can't really think of any STI that would cause this intense itching all over your body unless you are having some sort of allergic reaction to something she applied to your body.  Is there anything to see, like a rash that is causing the burning? 

If the Bendryl doesn't work well, you might consider seeing a dermatologist and telling them exactly what you told me here - there is nothing shameful to disclose here and without full knowledge of your exposure, they can't help you sort out what might be going on.  And yes, some substances can get into the skin and cannot be washed off, things that can make you itch if you are sensitive to them. 

I really want you to take the worry of sexually transmitted infections off your worry plate, please

Terri
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42 months ago
There is no rash. nothing visible just these sensations of the itching which i cannot lie is mostly gone from my face, arms back of the neck just itching on my belly.. on my chin under the bottom lip there were what appeared to be a lot of tiny dots but its hard to tell because i also shaved the other day. I'm thinking maybe it could be the hair growing back in. i went to the dermatologist on wed and told him the story i didn't mention the body parts but just talked about the face because at that time its what i was most interested in. he shined a light on my face no longer than a few seconds maybe 6 at most and said i think its some type of dermatitis. when i mentioned the face cleaner he gave me. its just not i get these annoying pins and needle feeling in my face like something is either stabbing me or popping on my face. along with still minor itching. this is hard to take in the awful sensations im going though im not a smoker but i have smoked at least 2 packs or more in 6 days. i'm afraid to kiss the woman i love or hug my kids.
Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
42 months ago
Are you afraid to kiss your partner and hug your kids because you think you may have gotten an STI at the massage place?  I think you can kiss and hug them, this is not a worry.
It's good your saw the dermatologist to reassure you.  That's two of us!  Please try to let this worry go - it just isn't realistic.

Terri
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42 months ago

I guess I’m the really the unlucky one I never wanted to be the exception to the rule but I am. It’s been a week and after the itching sensations left they returned with itching in the same places the arms, the back, the stomach and the face with a lot of discomfort around my left eye a blister on my forehead and near my right eye as well as itching on the top of my head.

I went to the emergency room to have my eye looked at and they want me to see a eye doctor. I guess now I’ll have to take medication I’ll have to research what is the safest antiviral medication out because I’ve read that they are toxic to the body and I’m wondering if this is herpes 2 affecting these body parts will they be less outbreaks because they are on the upper part of my body or does that not really matter.

I guess I don’t really understand from post I’ve read why they keep saying that is hard to transmit to other parts of the body when everything I read says that its transmitted from skin to skin contact and tons of pictures showing people with outbreaks clearly all over their body.

My question is based on this what kind of advice can you give me to deal with this event im also looking into a lawyer and wondering what I can do to make sure this place never passes this disease off to others I’ve seen on yelp that two other people are complaining about the same thing although their reviews on yelp have been pushed to the bottom of the screen for Taiji rubbing in NY.

Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
42 months ago
I'm sorry you are continuing to have itching on your body and that you have a blister on your forehead and near your eye.  Did anyone do a swab test of the blister near your eye? Did the ER doc think this was herpes near your eye?  Was the result HSV 2, is that why you think you need to take medication?  Did the ER doc prescribe that for you?  Have you ever in your life had a cold sore on your lip? 
Antivirals are not toxic to your body - I've had patients on antiviral medicine for 30 years without consequence and there is now no indication for stopping antiviral therapy after a particular period of time after starting to take them. 
It is difficult to transmit herpes to other parts of the body other than the mouth and genitals because the skin need to be very thin for the virus to penetrate, like the mouth or genital skin.  There are lots of pictures of people with other types of herpes viruses all over the internet and sometimes when people get brand new infection they have more than one location - buttocks, thigh or belly for genital herpes, sometimes the virus travels into the foot as well as that is where that nerve group goes - I have seen HSV 2 on the foot (by swab test) of a person with new genital herpes.  But that makes sense as that is where the nerve travels.  I think what you are saying here is that you are worried that because this place gives sexual massages, you think the person did a sexual massage on someone who had herpes, got virus on their hands and then massaged it into your body all over the place, is that correct?  As I said earlier,  I don't think this is a realistic idea and your dermatologist also told you this wasn't herpes, correct? 
So are you asking me what advice I can give you to deal with herpes all over your body, right?  Is that what you are describing as "the event"?  Honestly, without a positive swab for HSV 2 from a lesion somewhere on your body, I don't have advice for you because I don't know that you have HSV 2 that you acquired from this experience and indeed think you don't have HSV 2 all over your body.  I don't know what your sexual history is, if you've been sexual active in the past you could have HSV 2 but I still think HSV 2 acquisition, in the way you believed you acquired it, is inaccurate.
If you want to pursue this with a lawyer, I'm sure you will find a lawyer who would talk to you about this situation
You told the board administrators that you didn't feel I answered your question - perhaps you would like to more clearly state a question here.  If your only question is how to deal with herpes due to this "event" I don't have an answer for you.  If you have been diagnosed with HSV 2 either by blood test or swab test and you want to reduce the risk of transmission to other or reduce the frequency of recurrences, you can take daily antiviral therapy without concern of it being toxic to your body

Terri


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42 months ago
firstly i would like to say, thank you Terri for your help i believe you are doing a wonderful job here. I never said that you didn't answer my question, I told the board that my messages were closed before I was able to ask the two follow up questions, they said i was allowed to ask as stated in the agreement. I'm sorry for the confusion i believe you are doing a great job helping me.

First doctor  dermatologist said its probably allergic reaction to the oils. come back 2 weeks the second doctor ER said see another doctor and today i went to the urgent care to show them a rash that was on my arm where the itch came back really bad they said its possibly eczema right now as i type this letter my stomach is itching so bad i don't know what to do. the itch is in the places where she touched me as and right now as i got out of bed my eye felt pain.  I want to believe i'm okay but this itch left then came back which worries me.  I've never had anything like this ever in my life, I've never had a cold sore and the doctors never did a swab test all the test they gave were visual examinations no swabs no blood tests. I'm only itching in the places where i was touched by her i just don't know anymore. 

All i know is there is a terrible itch that is there in only the spots she touched they went away and now are back  and this time feeling horrible. I've been cleaning moisturizing an its still there. the doctor today they said the blisters/pimples were foliculitus and ignored the one my head. I guess it all comes down to finding one to actually test the areas rather than looking at it or should i believe their visual inspections. 

This will be my last post until i pay for more i guess my questions are 1 which medications are easier on the body i know everyone is different and affected differently but which has less side effects and 2  do you think the skin on the face around the eyes and the mouth that she massaged and the belly is too thick to transmit the virus to me. I want so badly to think I'm fine if for not having this horrible reoccurring itch and pain that came after that message guess i'll need to get a blood test. As for sex haha its been non existent for a couple of years since i agreed to marry a very religious girl that i fell in love with that doesn't want to go to hell and do it until shes married which takes place next year :)

thank you for all your help Terri you are the best and i wish you the best wishes 
42 months ago
oh to answer your question i believe it didn't come from her touching some one then touching me i think it came from her damaged looking hands when i seen them as i was giving her a tip  in the light were irritated and before i could even say anything she said to me my hands are very dry again which made me think if she uses so much massage oil on her hands how could they be so dry. i just wanted to answer all your questions thanks again. 
Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
42 months ago
For the record, you posted four times before I closed out your thread - you are allowed three times. So we did fulfill the contract with you.  That's done now and I will try once again to answer your questions.

Yes, I believe with all my heart that the skin in the places you mention is too thick for virus to get in, even if the wild zero risk event that she did have virus on her hands.  If the dermatologist told you it's folliculitis then you should believe him or her.  Folliculitis is an easy diagnosis to make.  If you have an actual blister to swab test, then you could have that done, yes.  All the herpes medicines are about the same but I use Valtrex and acyclovir the most - both are very safe.  If you start taking them before you do a blood test, you can most certainly confuse the antibody test results. 

Terri
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42 months ago
thanks for answering my questions the post i made were not questions but replys to the questions you asked me to clarify on,, but thanks again Terri my best wishes to you
Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
42 months ago
Best wishes to you too
This program counts POSTS not questions within posts - I think that's where the confusion lies.  But it's all good!

Terri
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