[Question #2418] nude massage and brief frottage

45 months ago
hey doctors:

yesterday i visited a massage csw who only provides sensual massage.  it was performed in the nude, she did some body slides and her vagina rubbed along my back and some of my front.  at one point she slid against my penis but of course there was zero penetration of any kind, oral or vaginal.  the genital rubbing may have lasted a few seconds if much at all.  

i am married and thought this would be a risk free event. 

now i  concerned about syphilis and genital herpes -- i have herpes 1. 

is there any risk?  can i continue unprotected sex with my wife?

thank you. 
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
45 months ago
I'm sorry to see you felt a need to return to the forum. Exactly as you thought at first, this was a no risk event-- there was not enough contact to be a significant risk for either syphilis or herpes. Also, there was little chance your CSW partner had syphilis, which even in sex workers is currently rare in the US (most cases are in men who have sex with men). 

This seems to be your 7th question on the forum about obviously low risk exposures. (Or possibly your 11th or more, if you are using one or more email address. Another "harry" had questions answered by Dr. Hook just in the past day or two.) You really need to try to understand what is and is not risky, and to not come to this or other forums about events that obviously are low risk. Kissing, fingering, massage, frottage (body rubbing, including genital contact with skin), and hand genital contact are always low to zero risk. And that's what our replies always will be, generally without much difference regardless of the details of one exposure to the next.

Anyway, no worries from these particular events, and I see no need for testing for any STD and you can safely continue unprotected sex with your wife.

I hope this information is helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.

HHH, MD
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45 months ago
thank you for the reply. 

all of what you said was clear except i fear i may have not been totally clear. 

when she slid  down. my front side her vagina rubbed against my penis for 1-2 seconds. 

this contact is what has me concerned. 

does that change your assessment of this event being no risk for any STI?


H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
45 months ago
I understood that aspect; your words "genital rubbing" were very clear. This doesn't change my opinion or advice.

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45 months ago
ok, one last question.  sounds like the brief nature of the contact makes the risk zero.  but if genitals are infected, does there need to be more intimate contact rather than just rubbing in order for an infection to transmit?

thank you
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
45 months ago
Yes. Without vaginal penetration, there is no risk to speak of. Prolonged genital-genital contact without penetration could risk herpes, syphilis, or HPV, but even these are little or no risk for the brief contact you had.

That completes the two follow-up comments and replies included with each question, and so concludes this thread. Please note the forum does not permit repeated questions on the same topic, the same kinds of exposure, especially low risk exposures for HIV or STD. This will have to be your last one; future new questions like this or your previous ones will be deleted without reply and without refund of the posting fee. This policy is based on compassion, not criticism, and is designed to reduce temptations to keep paying for questions with obvious answers. In addition, experience shows that continued answers tend to prolong users' anxieties rather than reducing them. Finally, such questions have little educational value for other users, one of the forum's main purposes. Thank you for understanding.


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