[Question #2566] Follow up to 2562 which was deleted

44 months ago
Dear Dr. Handsfield, I'm following up to my question about the product from Germany. I requested it be deleted yesterday because of identifying information. Although the company claims to have used dye, I just don't know if I can trust they don't have sinister intentions. They previously used freeze dried bovine blood powder before switching to dye. They now claim they don't use bovine blood powder anymore, but dye.  In the event, they actually used human blood power or still bovine, what would be the likelihood of HIV surviving freeze drying? Would it be possible to infect a human in this way? In other words, could the virus survive in a product? Note, I used the product about a month after ordering. Then, inserted in my vagina about a minute or two after opening. Thank you for your patience. Again, I'm so scared. I suffer from bad anxiety and paranoia too. I'm so worried the EU doesn't test their products or have high standards. I ordered the German product because I figured it was safer than its Chinese counterpart, but I'm still so scared. 
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
44 months ago
You appear to still be having trouble choosing a username other than your real name. We know the software isn't the most sophisticated (newly designed version not too far in the future). But most users don't seem to have this problem -- pay close attention to the instructions and try again. I'll delete this one as well, unless you tell me you want to proceed using Celina.---
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44 months ago
I honestly don't know how to change it. I think I did. Let's leave it up for 24 hours long enough for me to read the response and then delete it. I'm also worried that if the virus was preserved in powder form and inactive in powder, the moisture from my vagina and heat reactived it. 
44 months ago
So let's just proceed on this thread and delete it after 24 hours because I don't know how to change my name. 
44 months ago
Also, from my end, I don't seem to see user names on any of the threads. Not on mine and not on other questions asked by other users. 
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
44 months ago
As I said in my previous (now deleted) reply, I cannot imagine that the manufacturer of this product used human blood, or that they would provide false information about the product. Certainly bovine blood, if previously used in the product, could not carry HIV, and of course there is no rational reason to suspect that the dye used to mimic blood would be contaminated with HIV or anything else. To my knowledge, Germany's and EU's standards for human health related products is just as rigorous as in the US. I think this is your self-professed "anxiety and paranoia" disorder acting up, nothing more. I do not recommend testing for HIV or anything else.

I hope this information helps reduce your fears. If they continue, my advice is that you seek professional counseling; if you already have a mental health care provider, that's the person to contact. I suggest it from compassion, not criticism. Good luck!

HHH, MD
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43 months ago
Dr. Handsfield, Thank you very much for your response. I realize I do need help with anxiety. Unfortunately, I cannot stop thinking about this and reading about what happened to hemophiliacs in the 80s. The old artificial hymen supposedly contained bovine blood which was sterilized then freeze dried. Now they claim to use dye... But what if they had sinister intentions and used human blood? I have been reading online mixed things about lyophilization. Basically, lyophilization seems to be a way of indefinitely preserving HIV outside the host. How long could HIV survive in lyophilized blood? Sorry, but I am getting super paranoid thinking about the hemophiliac cases from the 80s. It seems that anybody can infect anybody with freeze died blood. Although is there a difference between inserting in vagina versus hemophiliacs who were probably injecting the tainted blood. I also did some research online and it appears this product is carried in several German pharmacies, but it seems to be sold as a cosmetic rather than a medication in since its not intended to cure or treat any disease. I just wish I would have never ordered this product. I thought Germany would be a more trust worthy country than ordering from China which also makes a product, but I feel even the EU is not highly regulated. I learned my lesson and will never trust any non American medicines or cosmetics again aside from those prescribed by doctors. 
43 months ago
I honestly don't think I would be this worried had I not read about lyophilization and how hemophiliacs in the 80s contracted the disease from freeze dried blood. 
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
43 months ago
You're repeating the same questions in different words. Answers have not changed -- and even if some details are different, I'm not going to answer nonsensical hypotheticals about what the risk would have been if the product contained human blood. My advice above about professional counseling is unchanged. Sorry for the blunt words, but they are in your interest.

That will conclude this thread.  Please note the forum does not permit repeated questions on the same topic or exposure. This being your second, it will have to be your last; future new questions about these events or similar questions will be deleted without reply and without refund of the posting fee. This policy is based on compassion, not criticism, and is designed to reduce temptations to keep paying for questions with obvious answers. In addition, continued answers tend to prolong users' anxieties. Finally, such questions have little educational value for other users, one of the forum's main purposes. Thank you for your understanding.

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