[Question #3390] Looking for guidance
90 months ago
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On 2/18/2018 I received unprotected oral sex from a stripper/sex worker in a not so upscale strip club/bar. I do not know her HIV or STD status (for sure) but she told me that she was clean of all STDs, however I found out later she had a heroin addiction in the past (if not currently). I have a lot of guilt (and fear) from this, which is driving my anxiety quite a bit. To be more detailed, I briefly touched her vagina without penetrating and my hand did get slightly wet. Maybe a couple minutes after that (I cannot recall exactly how long) I touched my penis and as I mentioned she began sucking, then she finished me by handjob. I didn't inspect her mouth for lesions, and did not see anything on her lips. At this point, it has been 8 full days, the day after the event I called a clinic and they advised treating for chlamydia and Gonorrhea that day as a precaution, which I did, and then having a test for syphilis in a week. Does this warrant HIV tests? What else do I need to do? I need to get back to my normal life and this is all hanging over me.
I have read and heard so much conflicting reports that it is overwhelming.
Am I being overly anxious, nervous and over reactive?
Thanks!
I have read and heard so much conflicting reports that it is overwhelming.
Am I being overly anxious, nervous and over reactive?
Thanks!
90 months ago
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I would like to add that I did have some dry skin on my penis, however there did not appear to be any visible cuts or breaks.
90 months ago
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One other thing, I wanted to add that I am not asking for a therapy "peace of mind" testing scenario (I have also seen that backfire where people start testing every 5 days for 12 months). If you were in my shoes, or advising a patient, what would you advise? I'm looking to get back to normal life. I made a mistake that I won' be repeating and would like to resume life with my wife.
89 months ago
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Last piece of information, my last negative test (for life insurance) was from mid January 2018. This is the only risk before or since that test.
That's the last piece, sorry for the fragments.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
89 months ago
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Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your confidence in our services.
My first comment is that the internet can indeed be frightening. Not only is there a lot of inaccurate information, but anxious persons tend to be drawn to information that reinforces their anxiety and to not integrate the more reassuring information that also can be found. But for sexual health and STD/HIV issues, if you concentrate on professionally run or moderated sites (like this one, public health agencies, academic institutions) you'll be less likely to be led astray. Especially try to avoid nonprofessional sites run by and for people with various conditions.
You had a zero risk exposure in regard to HIV. There has never been a scientifically validated case of HIV transmission by fellatio mouth to penis, and only a very few in the opposite direction (i.e. to the oral partner). And no cases in either direction for cunnilingus (oral-vaginal). In addition, the likelihood a partner like yours would have HIV is a lot lower than you might think -- probably under 1 chance in thousand. STD risks are higher, but still low risk for all STDs and zero risk for some. Rough skin or other penile skin conditions make no difference.
As for the other sorts of contact that occurred, for sure there is no risk for HIV or any other STD from hand-genital contact. It doesn't occur at all, or sufficiently rarely that it can and should be ignored. While I probably would not have recommended the treatment you had to cover gonorrhea "as a precaution", I can't argue strongly against it. Chlamydia treatment wasn't necessary; it is almost never transmitted by oral sex. But gonorrhea and chlamdia treatment usually are combined, so this is a moot point. (You don't say what treatment they gave, but I'm guessing an injection of ceftriaxone and a single dose of azithromycin by mouth -- right?) But I don't understand having a syphilis blood test, and certainly not after a week. Almost no risk; if exposed, ceftriaxone plus azithro would abort the infection before it ever started, and the test would never become positive; and it takes 3-6 weeks to become positive anyway. Having a syphilis test at a week would be a waste of money, time, and emotional energy.
Going back to HIV, if I put it in the personal terms you request -- what would I do if I were somehow in your situation, or what if you were my son -- I would not be tested or recommend it. That said, I'm not you, and I understand that some people will be more reassured by a negative test than by professional opinion based on probability and statistics, no matter how expert the source. If you think that applies to you, have an HIV blood test in a few weeks. But I really don't think it's necessary.
I hope this information is helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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89 months ago
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Thank you Doctor for the quick response. To clarify for you, I was treated with CEFTRIAXONE-CEFTRIAXONE SODIUM at 250 MG as well as a single dose of ZITHROMAX-AZITHROMYCIN at 500 MG. I was told that this would not do anything if syphilis was present and that I would need a penicillin shot to treat that if it were to present. I mistyped in my original post, the syphilis test would occur next week on Tuesday, which is 16 days after possible exposure. Believe me, I am not looking to go through anymore undue stress, but I also didn't want to ignore any risks at the same time. Is there evidence that this combination is sufficient in eliminating syphilis as well?
This has impacted my life enough to this point and elongating this and expending unnecessary "emotional energy" is not going to fix anything. My wife and family have been able to sense my anxiety and mood shift since the event and I want to put this in the past and move on.
I will be interested to hear your opinion.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
89 months ago
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You were misinformed or misunderstood what you were told about syphilis. Ceftriaxone for sure and azithromycin probably would abort incubating syphilis if you had been exposed. Having had those treatments, you cannot possibly have syphilis from this exposure and should not have any future testing for it. (On top of which, there was absolutely no chance of syphilis from the exposure described.) You could consider printing out this thread to give your clinic -- this perspective on syphilis and its prevention is the normal one in every STD clinic and among all STD experts.)---
89 months ago
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Thank you so much for that, in fact I will be calling them to inform them shortly and will print this out for their records. Nothing is worse than being misinformed when you are hoping to be getting information from an expert.
I think they also heightened the HIV concerns mentioning things like, "a single drop of blood touching the tip of the penis" and things like that. They scheduled me for the syphilis test and multiple HIV tests immediately after that appointment. I am now relieved and upset all at the same time (which I am sure you can understand). I googled for days after that "single drop of blood" comment, which seems to have been blown out of proportion due to oxygen exposure. Their comment was that the blood could have come from a nose bleed and I wouldn't have known. This actually had me racking my brain to try to re-remember if this happened! At one point I woke up in the middle of the night thinking about it!
I am guessing I ran into a misinformed staff/Practitioner at this visit?
So at this point, you would advise no further testing from this event? I can begin moving on with my life? Acting like a normal human again?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
89 months ago
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The notion of HIV risk from exposure to "a single drop of blood" is technically true, and nobody can say the risk is zero. And some providers and even many public health programs prefer to err on the side of caution, suggesting that any exposure at all warrants serious concern and testing. But the fact remains that the busiest HIV/AIDS clinics have essentially no patients whose only reported risk was this sort of trivial exposure. Everybody has the standard risks, i.e. unprotected sex with known infected partners, anal sex between men, shared drug injection equipment, etc. The data show that the risk of HIV from a single episode of unprotected vaginal sex with an infected female partner is around once for every 2,500 exposures; and that sex during menstruation (exposure to much more than "a drop" of blood) does not elevate that risk. Another good example is that the household contacts of people with HIV never catch it, even after many years of sharing kitchens, toilets, and often razors or other sharp instruments with the infected person -- even though such day to day contacts must from time to time include minor blood exposures.
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So it's not so much that the staff/practitioner was "misinformed"; more likely just doesn't clearly understand the difference between real-world risks and theoretical ones that rarely accont for HIV transmission; or don't make the effort to distinguish between these sorts of risk.
Indeed I advise no further testing that that you can safely move on with your life as "a normal human being".
That completes the two follow-up comments and replies included with each question and so concludes this thread. I hope the discussion has been helpful. Best wishes and stay safe.