[Question #4059] Possible ghsv-2 acquisition with existing ghsv-1

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85 months ago

Hello,

I am a female with GHSV-1 for over 6 years (severe primary diagnosed by culture). I typically get 2-3 outbreaks a year. Some of these are minor, some are more severe. I do not typically take suppressive Valtrex.

 I had protected sex (3 times total) on 30 June with a new partner who was quite large and so there was irritation and possible tearing. There was so light rubbing of genitals for roughly 30 seconds that was unprotected.

4 days later I had what I thought was a GHSV-1 recurrence, with two blisters near the top of the inner labia minora. Prior to this I had the prodrome on leg/back pain and tender vulva. These were beginning to heal (I took 1000-1500mg Valtrex a day once the outbreak began). I then woke on day 9 to find roughly 20 tiny pinhead sized white blisters on either side of my inner labia minora. I treated these with bactine (not a good idea I guess). By the next day the blisters had worsened, though were not painful, and I went to my OB/GYN to get them cultured so I could rule out having acquired hsv type 2. By this point I had been on Valtrex for roughly a week (1000g a day).

The culture came back negative for both type 1 and 2 (as did my IGG (too early to detect) and my IGM though I realize this is unreliable). My OB/GYN said that if it were a new infection it would likely have picked up the type-2, regardless of Valtrex, and that this was likely a ghsv-1 recurrence.

During this period (the evening of getting the Swab, I started to have a yeast infection (later confirmed by my ob/gyn when I showed her a photo at my next appointment).  I haven’t had a yeast infection since age 19, so I was convinced this was also a symptom of hsv-2.

I asked the partner to get tested for HSV-2, he came back negative (<0.1) and he was tested 5 weeks past his last protected sexual encounter: so negative at 5 weeks. He has said he has never had symptoms of herpes, only that roughly 8 months ago two women he was with had yeast infections after having sex with him.

I might add that I had convinced myself prior to finding out his negative results that I did have type 2 herpes, and had stopped eating, couldn’t sleep and had to be prescribed an anti-anxiety medication to calm me down, so I am sure I made whatever was going on much worse by being so run down physically and emotionally.

My symptoms started to abate (but a week later, so 3 weeks after the original encounter) I again started to see little red bumps appearing on both sides of my inner labia minora. I went to the OB/GYN on day 2 of this happening, she said it just looked like irritation but did a culture in any case. The following day the area (all inner labia minora on both sides) again had broken out in tiny pinhead white blisters/pimples (again, not painful to touch) and the entire area was red and irritated. As my OB/GYN was on vacation, I went to an urgent care and got a PCR HSV swab (day 2 of lesions appearing).

Both the culture and PCR  came back yesterday negative for type 1 and 2. Knowing I definitely have ghsv-1, I would have expected it to at least come back positive for type-1.

At this point I thought, ok maybe some weird yeast infection with blisters/contact dermatitis type lesions(not typical, but possible). The redness and irritation is still there a week later.

However, I woke early this morning to itching near my vaginal entrance, and again to multiple blisters (inner lower left labia minora where I usually (though not always) get ghsv-1 recurrence). This is the same area that was swabbed by culture and PCR last week when I had the previous lesions. I am pretty sure this is a definite outbreak. On top of that the whole inner labia is red and irritated.

Based on all of this, I have the following questions

a)      How likely is this to be a new hsv-2 infection given the encounter, given the partner is negative at 5 weeks from his last protected sexual encounter and has never had symptoms, given I have negative cultures and PCR,  given the extensive and recurrent for 3-4 weeks nature of the lesions (bilateral blisters/lesions on labia minora), but also given I had prodrome before the original outbreak

 

b)      Would 1-2 weeks of Valtrex affect the Culture/PCR swabs : could they produce  false negatives? And how reliable is the PCR hsv-2 negative?

 

c)       Have you heard of GHSV-1 recurrences being so extensive after such a long period of having the infection (6 years)? Is it possible it’s a recurrence and something else (bacterial infection)?

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85 months ago
To further add, I have now been taking 1000mg of valtrex daily (past month) but it does not seem to be impacting the outbreaks at all. Why would this be the case. If each episode i've described is in fact an outbreak, that would mean 4 back to back outbreaks, the first  of which was typical 2 blister definite outbreak  I'm familiar with, and then 3 of which were characterised by many tiny white blisters on either side of labia minora.
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
85 months ago
a.  I think HSV 2 in this situation is highly unlikely
b.but yes, Valtrex could  impact test results
c.  Recurrences of HSV 1 in this way when that has not been the case for you in the past would be unusual

I suspect the reason that Valtrex is not helping is because this isn't a herpes outbreak.  A yeast infection sounds more likely here, to me.  With negative swab tests and him testing negative at 5 weeks, I think you should feel quite reassured.  In addition, since a condom was used, herpes is very unlikely - they reduce transmission of herpes from men who have it by 96%. 

Terri
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85 months ago
Thanks so much Terri,

The whole area (inner labia) is now completely red and raw (though not itchy) . I went to my GP yesterday  (gyn still on vacation) who did a bacterial/yeast swab and prescribed me diflucan, though she wasn't sure if it was yeast. In anycase, hopefully this helps resolve things. It would certainly be easier to believe all the negative type 2 results if my symptoms died down! 

Thanks for your answer (and those on WOH forum). It's a very valuable service in such a minefield of symptoms and testing variables!

Have a good weekend.
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
85 months ago
So herpes would not cause the generalized redness and rawness that you are describing - the lesions are very specific.  This could also be bacterial.  If this doesn'ht settle down with the Diflucan,I would suggest you ask about a bacterial culture to see if that might find something.

Terri
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85 months ago
Terri,

Thanks so much for the follow up. I went to my OB/GYN today (who is excellent) and she also said at this point it no longer looked like a herpes outbreak, and swabbed for yeast/bacterial instead. As it happens, about 10 mins after leaving that appointment my GP called up to say the Friday swab at come back positive for yeast! Yay for yeast!

So, I'm pretty relieved after a full month of being convinced I had type 2, and not being able to figure out recurring and weird symptoms. Your forum and advice here has certainly been very informative and comforting along the way. And it certainly has opened my eyes to (despite it being protected sex) taking fewer risks with my own health.

I will say, regardless of people's politics, the value of having access to good health care and insurance (I've been to the doctor/urgent care/OB/gyn four times in the past month, with 4 sets of lab diagnostics to get to the bottom of it) is really invaluable to being up to date with our own health status, which in turn helps alleviate (regardless of outcome) the anxiety of uncertainty around it all, which is killer and most importantly for infectious conditions such a herpes and other STDs ensure we're sooner rather than later able to take the correct precautions to prevent transmission to others. 

So all in all, thanks to all the excellent health care providers out there (including my mum and sister ;)) , and here's to hoping it some day is accessible to all so we can all lead as healthy lives as possible withou all the uncertainty, ambiguity, and of course lack of access to proper care.

Thanks again Terri!
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
85 months ago
What a sweet note!  I'm so glad this turned out to be yeast.  I totally agree about health care - couldn't have said it better myself.

Terri
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