[Question #4172] Had protected sex with two partners whose pap is normal

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84 months ago
I am not going to waste my money on PCR etc. Moreover, it is not accurate. I had only two protected encounters in my life. They are not young people (probably mid-30s). They have a lot of body count. I asked their pap status. They said they do it regularly and it is normal.  Their recent one is also normal too.

Question: how likely I get HPV from two protected sex (Penis in Vagina) for two women whose pap is generally normal? I do not care about low-risk strains of HPV.  If it is warts, I can get treated for it. No Big Deal.  it is been 6 months since I had the encounter. I did not show symptom yet. I guess I may not.

I am just concerned about high-risk strains. 

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84 months ago
Correction: First encounter was year ago, and the second encounter was 6 months ago*
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
84 months ago
Welcome to our Forum. I'll be glad to comment.  The two exposures that you describe are low risk but, of course, we are talking probabilities, not guarantees.  Before I comment however, I need to point out that I can see little reason to care whether you acquired HPV or not from the encounters you describe.  Since the infection is so common, since complications are so rare, and since in the majority of instances the infection is self-limited and clears spontaneously over a few months, I see little reason for concern.  If you are concerned, while we can do little about the past, going forward the best thing you can do for yourself and for future partners is to take the HPV vaccine which is highly effective and safe. 

Here are the considerations related to the exposures that you have described:
1.  There are no precise estimates of the likelihood of acquiring HPV if you had sex with an infected person.  For all STIs however, infection is transmitted ONLY in a minority of cases, even in unprotected exposures and you used condoms.  .
2.   Research has clearly shown that condoms are the most effective way of preventing STI transmission, including HPV.  Your use of condoms reduces you risk for infection substantially (probably over 50%).
3.  While the PAP smear is an imprecise way of detecting HPV infection, that your partner have normal PAPs is good news and reduces you exposure risk.
4.  That you have not developed visible warts means that you will not. If you were going to develop warts from the exposure you describe, you would have by now. 

I hope this information is helpful to you. If you have additional questions or clarification is needed, please feel free to use your follow-up questions for this purpose.  EWH


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84 months ago
Thank you. my partner said they took pap and HPV dna test. My infectious doc said  HPV is common among young people and not with people above 30s.   

How reliable is cytotoxic T cell response testing for finding the past infection?  

 can I get reinfected with the same strain if I am already infected? 


Also, what is your view on this:
So much investment is going on this DNA vaccine. They showed some great results.

https://www.inovio.com/product-pipeline/
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84 months ago
"Therapeutic DNA vaccine VGX-3100, which consists of plasmids pGX3001 and pGX3002, has been granted a waiver by the European Medicines Agency for pediatric treatment of squamous intraepithelial lesions of the cervix caused by HPV types 16 and 18."
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
84 months ago
Cytotoxic T-cell testing is a research tool which has NO role in evaluating risk for HPV. 

People can be re-infected with the same HPV type if they have naturally acquired infection but it is rare.  The vaccine on the other hand is, for all practical purposed, completely protective for the types of HPV found in it.

The DNA vaccine is promising but still the topic of research.  I recommend the currently commercially available protein capsid HPV vaccine. The enthusiastic link you provide is provided by the company developing this vaccine, not an unbiased observer. 

Hope this helps.  EWH
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84 months ago
Dr. Ian Frazer (founder of HPV vaccine) said to me cytotoxic T cells are responsible for HPV clearance.  You can get tested to find the past infection. He did not comment about reliability about assay.  In your experience,  can you say it in numbers, what probabilities I have HPV?
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
84 months ago
It is difficult to provide a precise estimate of your risk- likely less than 1 in 5 (20% and probably far lower) but this is merely a guess.  There is no good way to provide this sort of calculation. 

I agree that t-cells are an important part of the host response to HPV infection although the efficacy of the currently available vaccines also correlate with antibody levels.  There are no good, widely available data on the use of measuring immune response (antibodies or cytotoxic T-cells) for determining protective effect of HPV vaccination.   These are research tools only.

This is my 3rd reply to your questions. Thus, as per Forum guidelines, this thread will be closed without further responses.  Take care.  EWH  
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