[Question #4456] Testing Conclusive?

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81 months ago

Hi doctor,

  Please evaluate my situation below:

  I went to an Asian massage parlor and received fellatio, handjob, anilingus and breast rubbing by a woman messeuse, all unprotected. After this encounter, I felt anxious and fearful of HIV. I went to a nearby Urgent Care and took PEP within 24 hours post the exposure. I complete the full 28-day therapy.Due to the hot weather,the medicine may get influenced by the heat outside above the recommend storage temperature when I'm out with pills in my backpack.   

  I got tested with 4th Gen DUO testing separately 4 weeks, 10 weeks and 13 weeks after the exposure according to the clinic. All Negative. The doctor said Im fine and do not need further testing.

  I dont have fever, joint pains except a recidivation of jock itch around my gorin during PEP and repeated oral ulcers from 5 weeks post the encounter and until now.(Totally three times). I can also feel some part of my left cavity wall coarse with tongue these days. This is what Ive never experienced before. And it makes me somewhat anxious again.

 Having read some threads here, I understand such encounters are virtually No Risk and do not warrant PEP. In order to move forward without any concern, I wanna ask:

1.According to the newest edition of Guidelines for PEP on CDC website, a Duo testing 3 months post exposure is enough to exclude HIV. But I noticed that there are some cases of delayed seroconversion documented in the guidebook, mainly about MSM. They occurs beyond 3 months. Im kind of confused because CDC still recommends testing to 3 month.

So, is my testing result conclusive? Do I need further testing at 6 months?

2.In my understanding, if the result is conclusive, present and future symptoms (like ulcers or fever) should have nothing to do with ARS about this exposure. Or warrant another testing?

Thanks, 

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81 months ago
Forget to mention I also received another only handjob two days before the end of PEP. But I presume it was a safe sex.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
81 months ago
Welcome to the Forum.  I'll try to help.  My sense is that you may be traveling during some or all of this and that you are getting at least some of your information on-line.  If so, unfortunately, the internet is a notoriously unreliable place to be getting information about HIV risk, testing, etc. because much of what is there is either out of date, taken out of context from descriptions of unusual situations and contexts, or just plain wrong.  With this background, let me comment on your specific situation:

1.  There is no known risk for HIV from receipt of masturbation, receipt of oral sex, analingus or breast rubbing and this is not for lack of looking.  This was a no risk exposure.
2.  Given the exposures you describe, I would not have prescribed you with PEP.  That said, you were anxious and the easiest thing for whomever saw you was to give you what you asked for.  Having taken it, PEP is certainly highly effective and my guess, not knowing specifics, is that the medication you took would not be inactivated because of temperature.
3.  Your follow-up is conclusive.  I am not aware of failures of PEP which were detected only after testing beyond 3 months.  Please remember that  when it comes to sex, people often do not stop having sex and some of the so-called "late" PEP failures may reflect continuing exposures.
4.  If your mouth ulcers or jock itch were a reflection of HIV, your test would be positive - they were not and thus were coincidental.  Should they recur, they would not reflect HIV/ARS from the exposure you have described.

I see no need for continuing concern or additional testing.  I hope that my comments are helpful to you.  EWH
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81 months ago
Wow, thank you doctor. Your comment is really helpful. I have to admit your sense is correct: I've been travelling in Asia and due to language barrier, I turn to Internet for information. Fortunately I found your website and stopped searching for other misleading views.

One last question maybe needs your clarification:
Before coming to this forum, I noticed several high qualified doctors recommend a 6-month past exposure testing after PEP, while CDC offcial guidelines recommend 3 months. What makes this difference? I think CDC should be conservative enough. Is 3 months not long enough to entirely rule out HIV infection?
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
81 months ago
The discrepancy you note may originate from several sources.  These include:
1. Some of the 6-month recommendations may be older than the current CDC guidelines, reflecting older data or older, less sensitive tests.
2.  The authors may just be erring on the side of being conservative.  

We agree with the CDC recommendations and suggest that be your guidance.  Three months of follow-up should be fine.  EWH

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81 months ago
I see. Actually I've been avoiding having sex with my girlfriend recently before ruling out  potential risk for her. 
Can I be totally 100% confident that I don't have HIV and there is no risk for my girlfriend if I continue unprotected sex with her?
Thanks a lot, Dr. Hook. I know this thread will be closed after your 3rd reply. Have a nice weekend!
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81 months ago
Also, if I take the second encounter into considerration, is the result still 100% conclusive to eliminate any theoritical risk( like blood or secreation on hand reaching mucous membrane to transmit HIV)?  Sorry, I'm over anxious before. I need your final conclusion to put my grilfriend at safety and go back to my normal life ASAP.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
81 months ago
With all due respect, my answers to this repetitive question are not going to change.  The exposures you described, including receipt of masturbation several days before completion of PEP did not put you at risk for HIV to start with.  The follow-up testing you took after completion of PEP proved that you were not infected.  There is no reason for continuing concern, no reason for further testing and no reason related to the events you describe to abstain from unprotected  sex with your regular partner for fear that you might have acquired HIV that you could transmit to her.  It is (past) time for you to put these concerns behind you and move forward.  Take care

As you point out this thread will now be closed.  again, please take care and do not worry.  EWH
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