[Question #4666] Am in the clear

27 months ago
Good afternoon,
I've  Done some research on  On your website and from most of what I've seen my risk was minimal however I was hoping you would be willing to answer some of my questions to help put my mind at ease. 
On Friday I participated in what would be considered frottage or apposition (terms I actually learned from your site). Basically I touched my penis (not the head, nor the opening but the longer part of the penis) against a masseuses vagina for no more than 5 seconds. 
I pulled her off and then rec'd a hand job. The handjob is not what concerns me but the genital touching. From the research I've done on your site, which has been pretty extensive it seems as if frottage (I guess) carries the risk of HPV, Herpes and Syphilis. Although it does seem to be low risk. 
With that said I was hoping you could answer some questions. 
1- It's been 5 days and I seem to be symptom free, have my chances of obtaining HSV2 by this point dropped significantly?
2- What is the % chance I obtained a lesion disease via this contact 
3- with each day that passes I'm assuming that my chances of seeing an outbreak diminish is that true?
4 - at which day can I breathe a sigh of relief that I am in the clear of seeing HSV2 showing up
Edward W. Hook M.D.
Edward W. Hook M.D.
27 months ago
Welcome to our Forum.  I'll do my best to help.  To get to the main message of my reply first and agreeing with your assessment that your risk was minimal, the exposure that you describe is effectively a no risk event for acquisition of any STI, including the so-called "lesion" diseases such as HSV, HPV, and syphilis.  Having said that, I also must point out that the idea of NO/ZERO risk is a scientific impossibility.  In science we learn new things and see things never seen before all the time and thus, when it comes to infections and infectious diseases, nothing is impossible  Thus, to illustrate what I'm talking about, I can tell you that while there is no realistic chance that you are going to be struck by a meteor falling from space today, I cannot truthfully say there is zero chance.  

Factors which influence that transmission of lesion STIs of the sort we are talking about here include whether or no a lesion is present (since most lesions would be noticed and are typically more infectious than when lesions are not present), the duration of the exposure (longer duration, higher risk), and friction which increases the likelihood of transmission.  In your case, all of these variable are in your favor and when you add that, IF your partner was infected, most exposures do not lead to infection

With that background, let's address your specific questions about what was an essentially no risk event:
1- It's been 5 days and I seem to be symptom free, have my chances of obtaining HSV2 by this point dropped significantly?
Yes, with the passage of time your risk for having acquired HSV2 continues to decline.  On average, lesions appear about 4-5 days following an exposure so you are now on the downside of whatever small risk there was to start with.

2- What is the % chance I obtained a lesion disease via this contact 
A small fraction of 1%

3- with each day that passes I'm assuming that my chances of seeing an outbreak diminish is that true?
Correct

4 - at which day can I breathe a sigh of relief that I am in the clear of seeing HSV2 showing up
Comfort levels vary from person to person but were I you, I would not be worried at all at this point.

I hope these comments are helpful.  EWH

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27 months ago
Hey Dr Hook. Thanks for the reply. 
Unfortunately I did not get a look at her vagina so I wouldn't be able to tell whether or not she had a lesion. With that said, 
if she did have an active lesion or was shedding at the time, do I still have the same odds as taking a meteorite to the head?
Being that comfort level for each person varies greatly imagine being someone without your expertise that possibly thinks they could have been exposed, which day would be the most relieving, day 12 or day 6?
I've seen dr Handsfield reference that massaging lesions into the tissue has a lot to do with the transmission rate. In my case there was zero massaging and more so just "placing" or contact, like a 3 second high five between my shaft and her vagina, still a meteorite?
27 months ago
Just to add 
About an hour ago I started to notice some burning on the very tip of my penis. Would herpes typically present there literally the very tip
Edward W. Hook M.D.
Edward W. Hook M.D.
27 months ago
If she had a lesion your odds would be slightly larger but still quite small.  Still not something I would be worried about, no matter what the day.

...and no, herpes would not present as just burning at he tip of your penis.
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