[Question #5375] RISK - hiv and hepatitis

23 months ago

I am very concerned and I know I have had concerns like this in past but need some reassurance and/or risk perspective. I went to a nail salon today and now realized that I may have complained about this ladies way of waxing before but my regular person was not there and I had forgotten. After she waxed my skin she pressed her hand down onto my skin with her palm. I asked her kindly to stop doing this. What concerns me far more however is when she took the tweezers she used the palm of her hand to literally wipe them/clean them off!! So she kept rubbing them with the palm of her hand if that makes sense. I am really freaked out by this. She then within about 3 seconds used them for taking out my eyebrow hair and I inspected my eyebrows and there were blood spots. So if she had blood on her hand, it then went to the tweezer and then that tweezer was used and pierced and cut my skin which bled, is that a risk? I am also concerned that it was her I had complained about before and maybe she could have intentionally wanted to infect me with something. What if she neglected to clean any of the tools, which I bet she did? I am very panicked. She also seems slightly unkempt, like she may sleep around. Should I take Prep in this scenario? If there is any risk I want to take it.

H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
23 months ago
I'm sorry, but this is yet another irrational question about your continued irrational fears of HIV.

Here is the opening comment from reply to one of your previous discussions, which is reasonable to repeat:

It is a mistake to attempt to imagine scenarios in which HIV may be transmitted by means other than sex or overt blood exposure. Biologically, some of the things you suggest might make sense. But the main fact is that even the busiest HIV/AIDS clinics and research centers have virtually no patients without the traditional risk factors like unprotected sex, needle sharing, or being born to an infected mother. A few newly infected persons cannot initially say how and where s/he was infected, or claim a non-traditional source. In all such cases, it turns out they were being untruthful or they had risks they did not recognize, such as the surprise knowledge that a spouse was at risk (e.g. high risk sex with men but closeted, or a secret IV drug user).

This was a zero risk event. It doesn't matter whether the wax lady is sexually safe or not, or how unkempt she may be. Nobody in the world ever caught HIV from such an event. You should not be HIV tested and certainly should not take post exposure prophylaxis (PEP, not PrEP) -- in fact, you would not be able to find any ethical provider willing to prescribe it.

Sorry to be blunt, but you really must stop using this forum to address such fears. Professional counseling would carry much more promise to get you beyond the kind of fear that is very rare in society today.

I hope this advice is a little bit helpful. Best wishes.

HHH, MD

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23 months ago
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2832920/Woman-catches-HIV-having-nails-using-shared-manicure-equipment.html

So you are saying it is not possible even if this woman transferred blood from a fresh cut and that within seconds this tweezer punctured my skin (blood spot). Can you please explain why this is, as I read this article above.

I will take this on board but I also think it works best when I avoid such situations, because my fears only arise at these times. thank you.


23 months ago
And I was also wondering about hepatitis c. Please do bear in mind her hand literally squeezed the main part of the tweezer twice and then she used it on me and I bled from tweezer. Hopefully it was the case that she had no fresh cut on her hand but it is always a possibility. There was a day last week I myself had an oozing cut on my palm last week.
23 months ago
One more thing is that Dr Hook wrote a few years ago that if someone was cut by a knife after someone with hiv, there is a high risk, unless water were also involved. I'm not really sure how this would be different. I completely understand your concern regarding my fears and but I would just like a clear medical explanation about the tweezer if blood had been transferred from a cut on her hand.
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
23 months ago
The case you report isSingle case reports exist for many essentially zero risk events, like this one 5 years ago. The second statement in the article says "the researchers warned that transmission through shared manicure equipment is a 'very rare event' and the risks of infection from new sources are still very low."  The fact that this case even was reported is an indication of how rare such events are. People also get killed by lightning. Does reading about it mean it is likely to happen to you?

Your question about "If this woman transferred blood from a fresh cut and that within seconds this tweezer punctured my skin" is EXACTLY the issue I referred to in my main paragraph from a previous thread and repeated above. Please re-read it. The same issues apply to hepatitis C and B.

This is different than a knife or scalpel cut because of the amount of blood invovled. I am unaware of anyone catching HIV from anything like a "knife cut" except medical personnel who cut themselves with scalpesl while operating on HIV infected persons.

That's my last comment and this thread is being closed. Please re-read our policy statement, in at least one and probably more of your previous threads, and do not ask any more questions about your truly irrational HIV and blood borne virus fears. You will never get advice any different than you have now received several times. The answers always will be the same.
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