[Question #5972] STI?
71 months ago
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Dear Experts,
In the past week, I have had cloudy urine twice in the morning. The first time the smell was very strong and musty. Yesterday, I emptied my bladder first thing in the AM and didn't notice anything wrong while urinating. However, a couple of minutes later while brushing my teeth I felt a mild discomfort at the tip of my urethra, but it subsided. About an hour later I was sitting on the toilet and urinated a tiny bit, and noticed the urine looked "sludgy" where it entered the water - kind of thick. No discomfort however. I thought it was weird and sort of opened/looked in the tip of my urethra to find several white colored blobby chunks, roughly 2 mm in size. The impression was similar to wet tooth plaque or something that had coagulated. This freaked me out a bit so I urinated a bit more into a glass and the urine was very cloudy and brownish with more small sediment collecting in the bottom of the cup. I assumed this sediment/cloudiness was pus. I took photos of both of these things and called my doctor. By later that morning my urine had totally cleared up, and still is this morning. There's been no more visible sediment or "chunks" in my urethra that I can see.
My doctor, upon seeing the photos, was not sure it was pus. To him it read more as sediment and maybe indicative of a small stone that had broken down. He thought based on the fact that my last sexual encounter was nearly 8 weeks ago it was not likely to be Gonnorhea or Chlamydia, but at the same time I recently had an ultrasound and a cystoscopy and no stones were visible (urinary weirdness is not new to me). Either way I gave a sample and am awaiting the results. I am concerned this is an STI, but beyond the timeline I am wondering if symptoms of STI's "come and go" like this...this quickly. Could a person have pus in their urine in the AM one day and then be totally symptom free for the next several days, only to have symptoms come and go again a few days later?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
71 months ago
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Welcome back to the forum.
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All that you describe sounds pretty normal, at least some of the time for many men. First, cloudy urine almost always is the result of variations in diet and fluid intake. By far the most common explanation is the occurrence of microscopic phosphate crystals. You can test this by adding a few drops of acid (e.g. vinegar) to 1-2 ounces of urine. If the cloudiness is due to phosphates, the urine will immediately turn clear.
Second, assuming the "sludge" and the white material in the urethral opening were associated with defecation, almost certainly this was simply the effect of pressure and straining, and stool passing over the prostate gland and seminal vesicles, squeezing out semen or pre-ejaculate fluid. Some men experience this quite frequently, often seeing not just "sludge" in urine, but overt dripping of fluid from the penis. Generally this indicates no health problem at all, assuming no other symptoms like urethral discharge not associated with defecation, colored stains in underwear, pain or discomfort during urination.
If you have recently been at risk for STD, such as unprotected sex with new or otherwise high risk partners, it would make sense to have standard STD testing just to be safe. But from the information available so far, I'm pretty sure nothing is wrong.
I hope this information is helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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71 months ago
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Hello again Dr. H,
Thanks for your reply. What I'm describing in the second instance was in fact immediately post defecation. I have experienced similar things before but it looked different, and the cloudy urine threw me off. As I said my last encounter was about 8 weeks ago so from what I understand that would be a long time to just start developing symptoms of an STI. And no other staining, discomfort, pain, discharge. The other time earlier in the week that I had cloudy urine it was first thing in the AM, prior to defecation, but I also know the first urine in the morning can be cloudier than usual, and it didn't continue throughout the day..
Can I ask you to comment on the likelihood that symptoms of an STI such as Gonorrhea, Clamydia, etc would "come and go". I trust your opinion but I'm seeking clarification for any future ambiguous situations. Due to a combination of an active sexual life mixed with other health issues, I often find myself wondering if urinary symptoms are STI related. I don't want to be a "worry wart" and over-test myself, but I also don't want to put my partners at risk by blowing off concerns. Knowing something as simple as "once STI symptoms present they continue until treated" might help me eliminate concern in the future, if such a thing were true.
Thanks.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
71 months ago
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Symptoms caused by gonorrhea, chlamydia, or nongonococcal urethritis (NGU) do not come and go. They would persist continuously and be noticed at least daily until treated and cured.
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Both your "worry wart"m comment and the overall tone of your forum questions suggests you are overly concerned about STIs. I'm not suggesting a cavalier attitude toward risk, and advise routine condom use for non-monogamous vaginal or anal sex, as well as a common sense approach to partner selection. (It's not all that hard to judge partners at higher or lower risk themselves. Avoid the higher group.) If you get typical symptoms, of course get checked promptly (see a doctor, no self testing through online labs). But the sorts of things you describe here, and as I recall in prior threads, are not typical for STDs. Without typical symptoms, consider just having routine testing (gonorrhea, chlamydia, HIV, syphilis) once a year -- and otherwise more or less forget about it. These are common sense approaches successfully followed by most sexualy active singles.
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71 months ago
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Ok, thank you.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
71 months ago
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Thanks for the thanks. I hope the discussion has been helpful.---