[Question #6536] Red Itchy bumps around rectum
67 months ago
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While receiving oral sex on my penis on 1/17, I experienced discomfort as the woman’s teeth made contact with my penis. We then proceeded to have protected vaginal intercourse. Afterwards, I noticed one opened raised red circular sore below my penis head where it meets the shaft. Nothing too painful. I’ve always noticed abrasions after sex but I’ve never seen anything like it before, so I went to dermatologist, who said it was just an abrasion, and gave me mupirocen ointment. Within exactly 1 week, it completely healed. Given the healing timeframe, how confident can I be that this wasn’t herpes?
About 2-3 weeks ago, I starting experiencing discomfort around my rectum that I chalked up to wiping too much after bowel movements. But it never went away and has gotten worse and now is pretty itchy. Nothing too painful, but uncomfortable, which is probably being exacerbated by friction since my job requires being on my feet the whole time and walking a good amount. I decided to check it out today in the mirror. The area around my entire rectum is red and uncomfortable, but just below my rectum where it itches the most, I noticed a cluster of maybe 3 red pimple like bumps. I’m worried this could be herpes and plan to go back to the dermatologist. What is the likelihood of herpes? And if it is herpes, is it possible to transmit to a partner during vaginal intercourse or oral sex (mouth to penis) even if the rectum is never involved?
In terms of my sexual past, I am heterosexual, and have had unprotected sex with 5 female acquaintances over the last 6 months, and protected sex with another. All performed unprotected oral sex to my penis. One of them performed oral sex on my rectum numerous times, the last time being around 2 months ago. In the last 2-20 days, which I know is the normal herpes incubation period, I’ve had unprotected vaginal and unprotected oral sex (penis) with one woman and protected vaginal sex with another who also performed unprotected oral sex (penis).
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
67 months ago
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Welcome back to the forum. Thanks for your continued confidence in our services.
I'm guessing there's a typo in the date of the sexual exposure. January 17 is only 3 days ago, but other info indicates is must be further back, right? Maybe December 17?
First, the sore/abrasion: You don't say how long "afterward" means, but I assume right away, i.e. within a day or two? No STD can cause any symptoms within hours, and I see no reason to doubt the dermatologist's diagnosis. And no STD could cause a sore that would heal within a week or with mupirocin.
Perianal rash: Your descirption doesn't suggest any STD. The large majority of genital and genital area (including anal area) rashes are not STDs, and no STD causes a localized itchy rash. This sounds most like a yeast infection, but any of several other superficial infections also could do it. For sure this isn't herpes, which doesn't behave or look anything like you describe. And initial genital (or anal) herpes occurs at the site of inoculation, which in turn means site(s) of dicrect contact during sex -- and you don't indicate there was any sexual exposure of your anal area. (But even if there was, the other aspects remain strongly against herpes or any other STD.) Finally, the answer to your closing question is no: if it were herpes, it cannot be transmitted except by direct contact with the involved area.
If you still have access to a dermatologist, that would be an ideal resource for this problem. If not, most family or internal medicine doctors would be able to accurately diagnose this sort of problem and recommend treatment. In the meantime, based on all you say, you needn't be concerned about herpes or any other STD.
I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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67 months ago
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Thanks for responding, Dr. Handsfield. Sorry for the confusion and typo. I noticed the sore on 1/10 immediately after sex. I knew it couldn’t have been from this woman. I figured her teeth rubbing on the area irritated something that was already there that I hadn’t noticed before. I started using the ointment on 1/13 or 1/14 and it was completely healed by 1/17 with no signs of anything.
As for my symptoms in the anal area, there was some sexual exposure that I mentioned in my original post. Perhaps you don’t consider this sexual exposure but one of my partners performed oral sex to my anus numerous times over the span of 6 months, but that’s the only sexual exposure I’ve ever had in that area in my life and there was no penetration. Could this possibly cause herpes or other STDs? Never noticed cold sores or anything on her mouth.
I scheduled an appt with my dermatologist tomorrow because the cluster of red bumps around my anus freaked me out and look like some pictures of herpes I’ve found from online resources.
I will follow up and thank you very much for your help thus far.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
67 months ago
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Such an exposure might cause herpes (although unlikely); but for sure that's not what you have. I remain confident your rash has nothing at all to do with that or any other sexual exposures. Of course all this assumes the rash has been present for a couple of weeks, without much change in character except for spreading. "Bumps" don't suggest herpes unless after a day or two they change to vesicles (blister like lesions) and then ulcerate or scab over.
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I'll be interested to hear how things shake out after you've seen the dermatologist.
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67 months ago
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The dermatologist took a look and saw the 3 red bumps I mentioned in my original post below my anus, and also found some more around the perimeter of my anus. He referred to them as vesicles and said they are open, ultimately suggesting that it could possibly be herpes. He performed the viral culture swab test and informed me it’s possible there wouldn’t be enough of a sample to have conclusive results, so in addition to the swab, I also opted for a biopsy which he stated would have a better chance of being conclusive. I made sure to have both done b/c I know the swab would determine type if it is herpes. He explained the biopsy wouldn’t determine type.
I explained to him my sexual history, stating the only sexual exposure I had in the location of the vesicles was oral stimulation from one woman over the course of 6 months. He explained that even a partner’s finger touching that area could transmit herpes. Maybe there has been the graze of a woman’s hand or finger down there, can’t really recall, but I didn’t think that could even transmit herpes.
So now I guess I just have to wait for the results. In the meantime he prescribed acyclovir ointment, but it was $450 at the pharmacy because I’m currently uninsured, so I’m going to see if he can prescribe me the tablets instead, which I found an online coupon for and it would take the price down to $36.
Also starting to worry that if it is indeed herpes, that the poking around down there I did yesterday could potentially spread the virus to other parts of my body because he told me it could theoretically spread if the vesicles’ fluid makes contact with those other parts. I definitely washed my hands after poking around but I may have touched my penis before washing.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
67 months ago
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Very interesting; a bit surprising for the reasons discussed, but that's why in-person evaluation is always necessary when the diagnosis is in doubt. I'm certainly glad you've done it.
However, I don't agree entirely with the advice you had. I'm surprised to hear that the dermatologist feels biopsy is superior as a diagnostic method. There's never been a scientific study comparing PCR vs biopsy, but for a variety of reasons I'd be surprised if biopsy performed better. (However, if PCR is done on the biopsy specimen, it probably would be highly reliable.) In any case, when diagnosis is unclear, it never hurts to have more than one kind of test. But in addition, you should ask the dermatologist about an HSV blood test. If you have a negative blood test now and it becomes positive in a few weeks, it can confirm the diagnosis if both PCR and biopsy are negative.
There has never been a proved or reported case of HSV transmission by fingering of any body site. In theory it could happen, but must be exceedingly rare. The dermatologist is describing a theoretical but very uncommon transmission mode.
I most strongly disagree with acyclovir ointment, and glad to hear you're looking into oral therapy. The research is very clear that ointment is no more effective than placebo. If it's herpes and the lesions are well on their way to healing, it won't hurt. But no STD or herpes expert ever prescribes the ointment; if someone needs treatment for herpes, it should be oral. So even if it wouldn't be saving you so much money, I would have advised you to ask the derm for a prescription for oral valacyclovir (preferred) or acyclovir. Do it ASAP: for benefit from any treatment, the earlier the better. (You may be able to find a local pharmacy with pricing similar to online; it would be good to not have to way a day or two for shipping.)
There's little risk of spreading HSV elsewhere (medical term auto-inoculation), either from the doc's ministrations or by your own hands. The most common autoinoculation sites are the finger (herpetic whitlow) and eye; I've never seen or heard of transmission to the genitals or to intact skin anywhere. Whitlow typically is at the site of fignernail inflammation, like a hangnail or manicure injury.) That said, use common sense hyugiene: if you touch the affected area, e.g. after toilet, wash with soap and water immediately. That will protect against auto-inoculation.
Normally threads are closed after two follow-up exchanges, but I'm going to leave this open. I'll be interested to hear your test results and how things go with treatment.
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