[Question #6549] Blood draw no risk for hiv hepatitis b c dr hook , hhh notes

13 months ago
Hi dock hook Im a  mother and had my blood drawn & is it safe to breast feed my child 
 question on blood draw (my needle was BRAND NEW butterfly needle) 

Point 1&2 are the risks 
1) my nurse was not wearing gloves . nurse  touched my vein/injection site  right before inserting the needle into my vein .  if nurse had small cut on finger and wet blood came out of finger  if nurse has hiv hepatitis b c 

2) my second risk : DR hook say  worst case scenario even if nurse touches the external area of needle and got wet blood on only the outside of needle  and then nurse inserts wet blood on  needle into my vein and drew my blood   is no risk for hiv hepatitis . . if nurse has  hiv hepatitis b c .

this can only apply if nurse has an exsisting cut on finger and got wet blood on outside of needle by touching the needle  so no risk for hiv hepatitis b c and not wearing gloves and drew my blood . if nurse has hiv hepatitis b c 

But not for needle sticks because in needle sticks blood is inside the needle and not expose to air . 

3) answer :  statement from doc hook has dropped my  anxiety from 100 to 0 why  above question 1&2 is not risk for hiv hepatitis b c :

 doc hook has said hiv hepatitis b C are immediately non infectious in the wet blood   on air exposure as wet blood leaves the body  thats the reason why I’m in NO risk for hiv hepatitis b c from nurse finger when wet blood came out of nurse  finger if nurse had an existing cut on finger and nurse bleeding finger  got wet blood on outside of needle by touching needle and then inserting wet blood on outside of needle into my vein for blood draw  .so I cannot get hiv hepatitis b c if nurse is infected with hiv hepatitis b c 
 Because wet  blood coming out of nurse finger is non infectious for hiv hepatitis b c once exposed to air  and once non infectious these viruses cannot infect me with hiv hepatitis b c as nurse didn’t wear gloves during my blood draw .

doctor Hunter will agree to this statement I have proof of this statement. will elaborate further in next reply . 
 
4) doctor hunter  you have said  nobody gets hiv hepatitis b c  from blood draw  and don’t look at the procedure and you won’t be the first !  and also no one gets hiv hepatitis from contaminated environment  . . so I was no at risk for hiv hepatitis b c from the nurse finger if she had cut on finger and wet blood got out of it and touched and got wet blood on outside of  needle and my arm as now wet blood was in environment. 

5)  dr Hunter  . you have said you can imagine any risks during blood draw procedure you will never be at risk for hiv hepatitis b c from blood draw  so no risk even I imagined risks in point 1 and 2 . so ill be safe in future as well . 



H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
13 months ago
You have clearly had other discussions on these issues on this forum, but not under your current username or email address. Let me know your previous question number(s) or re-post this using your original account and we'll take it from there. Thanks.

HHH, MD
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13 months ago
Oh dear :(I’m sorry I’m actually just had a new child 
I don’t have user name currently if you can reply on 

. But if you see question title  hiv hepatitis question closed 4 days ago I believe that’s one with evidence of dr hooks response . 6520 that was me my friend posted on my behalf :/ it yes :( I hope I’m not doomed by confessing this point but you agree with doctor hook 

It’s point number 3 I wrote today  he has said it various times ! Crystal clear and I can show you other points where he has said word non infectious.

And then I saw one title hiv testing question where you said look away that was  don’t look at blood draw that wasn’t me 

Can you just see point number 3 for me that was the main point that dr hook really really helped . :(  and point 4 and 5

I was scanning previous questions to gather info and Put  them in one :/ question I hope your not mad :( I have a baby please don’t deny help today  and you guys are world class 

H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
13 months ago
Thanks for clarifying. I have read your discussion with Dr. Hook (question 6520). As he told you, users do not select the moderator who responds. it is only by chance that I am replying this time, not because you are looking for my replies. Dr. Hook and I have been close colleagues for over 30 years and our scientific expertise and advice always are the same.

I agree 100% with everything Dr. Hook told you, and I agree with the summaries you have provided. You correctly understand his replies. HIV and blood borne infections are never acquired by having blood drawn. And by the way, the reason for gloves is to protect the provider from the patient's blood, not to protect the patient. Even with no gloves at all, the patient not is at risk for being infected with blood borne viruses. 

That's all I have to say, and I will not answer any more quesions that have already been answered. If you have further questions, I suggest you re-read the entire discussion in question 6520.  

I hope these comments are helpful. I also send best wishes to you, your baby, and your growing family. But please note that repeated questions on the same topic are not permitted. This being your second, it will have to be your last. Thank you for your understanding.

HHH, MD
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13 months ago
thank you for being kind . I thought you would get extremely angry over this . I’m shocked but thanks ! 

I have never ever acted this way in my life it’s only I think because of my baby so I want to ask your views as well before I do 

1)dr hook point :  this point is best point ! basically you say 100% agree ! So  my mind cannot be confused anymore   I can hold on to doctor hooks point on hiv hepatitis b c being non infectious from nurse finger assuming nurse has existing cut on finger and got wet blood on outside of needle if nurse touched  needle with bleeding finger then wet blood that was on outside  Needle was inserted by nurse  into my vein  for blood draw no risk for hiv hepatitis b c 
why ? Because as dr hook says hiv hepatitis b c will be NON infectious for any wet blood coming out of nurse  bleeding finger as it leaves the body on air exposure  if nurse has existing cut on finger  
And once hiv hepatitis b c in non infectious on air exposure in the wet blood I can no longer get infected with hiv hepatitis b c 
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if nurse has hiv hepatitis b c  and was not wearing gloves 
this you 100 percent agree so perfect 

2) I was told dr hook that blood has to be INSIDE syringes needle to cause hiv hepatitis b c  when blood is inside needle and not exposed to air 
this is another reason why I should not fear blood on outside of the needle if nurse touched needle for hiv  So I cannot get hiv hepatitis b c . When nurse inserted the needle .  if nurse has hiv hepatitis b c and bleeding finger  as dr hook says 

3)Can I follow your advice for FUTURE  : you have said hiv hepatitis b c are not transmitted by blood draw even if nurse has hiv hepatitis b c . And I can just keep my eyes always closed during blood draw even if I have this fear that nurse finger might only touch the outside bottom area of needle very unlikely if nurse had cut on finger 
.  just say no one gets hiv hepatitis b c from blood draw no Matter any risk I imagine  such as nurse bleeding finger blood on outside of needle  even though dr hook says viruses are non infectious  if nurse has hiv hepatitis and is not wearing gloves ?which you 100 percent agree  


Can you just follow up by saying imagine any 
risk during blood draw and still you won’t get hiv hepatitis b c  that would be best as you tell your clients 

H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
13 months ago
You are simply repeating the things you have told. You say you understand. I'm happy[ you do. It is correct that no matter what risks you might imagine from having blood drawn, they will not be real or realistic. You should never worry about this. The way to avoid HIV is to not have unsafe sex with new or unknown partners, and to not share drug needles with other persons. That's all there are no other risks you should worry about.

That completes this thread. Please note the forum does not permit repeated questions on the same topic or exposure. This being your second about HIV risk from having blood drawb, it will have to be your last one; future new questions like it will be deleted without reply and without refund of the posting fee. This policy is based on compassion, not criticism, and is designed to reduce temptations to keep paying for questions with obvious answers. In addition, experience shows that continued answers tend to prolong users' anxieties rather than reducing them. Finally, such questions have little educational value for other users, one of the forum's main purposes. I trust you will understand.

I hope the discussions have been helpful. Best wishes.
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