[Question #7326] Follow-up from a few months back

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58 months ago
Afternoon, After having 3 biopsies from my shaft, the last confirmed Condyloma.  I am devestated. I got the call from a dermatologist who said not to worry much about it.  However, that's easier said than done knowing that my wife is recipient of this due to my one bad decision.  20 minutes of a crappy decision has led to this.  I have found that many doctors just aren't that experienced with GW.  I have been to several colorectal specialist for the internal growths and they have all been "certain" that they are nothing. They have done nothing but expand further into the canal. I was told that if it was GW it would be on the outside as well.  I have had these issues for quite some time now, have an auto-immune (Guillain-Barre) and feel like I am never going to get this under control.  

My biggest concern is my wife. She has been jaundice in her eyes for nearly two weeks and had high billirubin results. I am afraid that this is from me giving her hpv.  That maybe something has spread/metastized to her liver.    She has had the last to paps (last one in March of 2020) and they all came back normal.  Is it possible for her to never actually develop warts even though she's been repeatedly exposed? 

I know many people are oftern affected by more than one strand of hpv. What are the odds that I got more than one strain from that one particular experience?  The conversation of her having caught it before our relationship isn't relavent as we have been together since a very young age.  

What about our kids? I don't want to infect them when bathing them or by them accidentally using a used towel? 

Is there any positive to take away as far as lessening future outbreaks?

I previously mentioned in my last post that I was prescribed imiquimod just to see if it would work by a telemedicine doctor.  The short supply seemed to clear my shaft area up.  I feel like there are several (tiny) random spots that are infectious.  Will this be a lifelong issue? August of 2016 was the exposure. Th


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58 months ago
I forgot to add that my first dermatologist stated that the bumps on the top of my shaft were normal variation. He did however use cryotherapy on the underside of the tip of my head because I showed him to raised areas that were swollen areas of skin that lied above the rest of my skin. he said that he was "90%" sure that this was normal fordyce spots, but he didn't look under magnification. I did look under magnification and when I do, you can tell the skin was much different.   

Additionally he cut out a wart on my right pointer finger and  then used some metal electrical device to deaden the cells after he cut it out. I am curious if this spot could be the same strain of hpv as what they found below the belt.  The anal itching started way back, probably a month, maybe two after the exposure in 2016.  I went to several doctors who treated me for hemmorhoids, banding, coagulation etc.  I showed them a growth back in March, which is the growth I mentioned in my first post. the first proctologist used a "nitrogen pen" as he called it and banded an internal hemmorhoid.  Since then, I produce more than a normal amount of mucous from the anus and have two other spots that have just swollen, and have a hill like projection.  The itching and often stinging is extremely annoying and bothersome. 
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
58 months ago
Welcome back to the forum. But honestly, you're overreacting:  "devastated" isn't warranted. Genital warts generally are a minor health inconvenience, nothing more.

I don't recall your sexual history. But most likely you've had the HPV infection causing your genital warts for a long time, perhaps years. For sure long enough that your wive has been repeatedly exposed. She could also be the souirce -- you'll never know. (It's rarely possible to know when and from whom any particular HPV infection was acquired.) The large majority of HPV infections do not cause visible warts or abnormal pap smears:  most remain entirely asymptomatic. Therefore, your wife probably will never develop warts, an abnormal pap, or other health issue from HPV. If she does, it won't be certain whether it's the same or a different HPV strain or the same one you have. 

This has nothing to do with your wife's liver problem. HPV does not cause liver disease and does not disseminate through the body. And HPV is never transmitted in households, even after continuous and frequent sharing of towels, toilets, kitchen utensils, etc. Your kids are not at risk from your infection (or your wife's, if she has HPV).

Correct that many people with HPV have more than one type. However, there are no data on how frequent this is after any one exposure. As implied above, you didn't necessarily acquire your HPV infection from the past sexual exposure you are concerned about.

That you "feel" various spots on your penis are due to HPV isn't justified. Your dermatologist should be able to sort this out; of course this forum cannot, since we have no opportunity to examine you.

The wart on your finger is unrelated to your genital warts. Common hand warts are caused by different HPV types that rarely involve the genital area. As discussed with Dr. Hook last time, it is extremely unlikely your rectal symptoms are due to warts or HPV.

I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.

HHH, MD
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57 months ago
Thanks for the reply. My wife had an appointment with a hematologist today. 

1) I understand the previous comments about the anal warts. I've just read throughout the forum how it isn't at all rare to develop genital warts inside the anus if you are heterosexual, even without contact.  Seeing how I have condyloma on my penis, I thought the possibility of anal condyloma is higher. These have changed in appearance which also concerns me. 

2) Could you tell me how accurate an hiv test is at 11-1/2 weeks?  Back in 2016 after this event, I tested negative. Not sure the test, but I did have blood drawn. 

3) Additionally, does oral hpv often appear on the tongue? Since my last question, my wife has developed a strange raw patch in the middle of her tongue that hasn't really improved. She also has hoarseness and the roof of her mouth is raw. This seems to be a cycle for her. 

4) should I expect this hpv to go away/be suppressed by my immune system since it hasn't the past couple of years?

Thanks. 


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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
57 months ago
1) With warts maybe changing in appearance, you should be seen by a physician -- preferably a dermatologist -- to confirm the diagnosis, in particular to be sure they are warts and not pre-cancerous growths. Or maybe former warts now replaced by scar tissue. No way to know except by seeing an experienced doctor in person.

2) Any and all HIV tests done in 2016 are conclusive any time 6-8 weeks after exposure. Negative at 11-12 weeks is conclusive.

3) Oral HPV is not rare, but it rarely causes symptoms. A "raw patch" or raw feeling of the roof of the moutn are very unlikely to be HPV. She should see a doctor if she remains concerned, but you can be confident it isn't HPV.

4) Warts usually clear up within a year. Any abnormal skin condition persisting a "couple of years" should be professionally evaluated.
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57 months ago
Thanks for the follow-up.  Every time I tell a dermatologist, they say that they don't work with the inside of the anal canal. When I go to a colorectal surgeon (3 so far) they tell me don't worry if it is warts. If it gets bigger then we can reevaluate. They said it seems rare to have internal warts without them on the outside of the anus. Still unclear if that's true or not.

As previously mentioned in my last post to Dr. Hook, I have applied hemmorhoid treatment medicication by finger to my internal hemmorhoids. Not sure if that could be the cause or not. 
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
57 months ago
Colorectal surgeons are generally a lot more knowledgeable about anal and rectal warts than I or Dr. Hook; I would trust their opinions and advice. You should not be self-treating rectal warts that you may or may not have.

That concluds this thread. Please note that repeated anxiety driven questions on the same topic are against forum policy. This will have to be your last one about HPV, warts, and your concerns about your rectum. Excessive questions are at risk of being deleted without reply and without refund of the posting fee. We have found that continued replies often simply prolong anxiety rather than resolving it; when professional counseling would be a better approach. And ASHA is not keen on collecting fees when the answer is unchanged, obvious and predictable. Finally, such questions have little educational value for other users, one of the forum's main purposes. Thank you for your understanding. I do hope the discussions have been helpful. Best wishes and stay safe.
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