[Question #7510] HSV1 IGG Index Value Question

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55 months ago
Hi, I recently had worries over a potential STD, which I still haven't resolved. I've been getting folliculitis/acne looking rashes on my pelvic and groins, and inner thighs, along with pain in the same area. And minor rectal bleeding and fissures. My concern was possibly herpes although I haven't gotten any typical lesions or sores (unless the anal fissures count), but three different doctors all refused to swab me, saying it was hemorrhoids, and didn't otherwise look like herpes. 

Anyway, on to my question: My blood test came back with an HSV 1 IGG, TYPE SPECIFIC AB index value of 1.60. The doctor who gave me the results said it's nothing to worried about, and that I likely got exposed to oral herpes in my childhood (My mom had oral herpes so I wouldn't be surprised). But could that actually be possible with such a low index value? Could my IgG be 1.60 if I've had it for over a decade, or would this be indicative of a more recent infection?

(The doctor refused to perform a follow up blood test after a month to see if the values changed, or might've been a false positive - citing that once I have it I have it, and that this is a true positive and that it won't change. They claimed that it's low due to herpes being inactive, and would read higher during an OB, but otherwise will stay 1.60, and therefore another test is unnecessary. They also said that oral herpes can come and go between my lips and genitals too.) < This is additional information, but I would really like an answer to the question above, and advice on what to do next. 
Thank you.
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
55 months ago
Your IGG for HSV 1 could certainly be a true positive, even with a low index value of 1.6.  Absolutely.  I see it all the time.  The testing for HSV 1 by IgG is just not as good as one would hope.  I disagree that an outbreak would make the number go up. 
I would also disagree that HSV 1 can go back and forth between your mouth and your genitals.  Once you have HSV 1 in one location, it is highly unlikely that you would then get it in a new location.  Is it possible to get oral and genital herpes at the same time?  Yes.  You could kiss someone who has an oral infection and then get it orally and if they gave you oral sex, you could also get it genitally, at the same encounter, or very close to the same encounter. 
Have you ever in your life had a cold sore on your lip or in your nose?  if yes, then this is why you are positive for HSV 1.  If you have never had a cold sore, then we cannot know if your infection is oral or genital, until or unless you have a lesion that can be swab tested at one of these locations. 
Though a false positive for HSV 1 at this level is uncommon it can happen.  If you want confirmation, I would suggest obtaining the herpes western blot for clarification.  This is done only at the University of Washington, in the US

Terri
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55 months ago
I understand that this can be a true positive.
 
The question I would like answered, but can't really find a proper answer to is this: Can I really have a low index value like 1.60 if the infection has been in my system since childhood? Shouldn't it be much higher by now? (Please, can you answer that directly?)

I get dry lips, white heads and acne around my nose and lips, but nothing that I can remember looking like pictures of cold sores you find online. I also tend to get canker sores frequently too, and cuts on the corners of my mouth, which I guess could be angular cheilitis.

I've been having anal fissures and groin pains, with a folliculitis looking rash, which is what concerns me, but every doctor I've seen refuses to swab me citing it doesn't look like typical herpes, but it'd really give me peace of mind to know whether I do or not. I just want to be able to confidently say "Hey, I have oral (or genital) hsv!" when disclosing, and not "I have hsv1, but I can't tell you where it is."
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
55 months ago
I did answer this, in the first line of my reply, but I will answer it again for greater clarity.
Yes, you can have an index value of 1.6 that represents an infection acquired in childhood.  Some people simply have lower index values.  It means nothing if it's a true positive.
The cuts in the corners of your mouth could be angular cheilitis or herpes, without a swab test, it isn't possible to know for sure.
I see no reason not to swab something that a patient is concerned about - what's the downside?  I don't get why they won't swab test it, but there's really nothing I can do about it except to encourage you to find another provider who will agree to do it.

Terri
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55 months ago
Thank you for answering that.

Yeah, I dunno why they won't swab anything for me. They (3 different doctors) say they won't swab it because it "doesn't look like your typical herpes". I wish they would though, because healthcare works for, and are there for the public, so even if just to calm my anxieties over it, as it's seriously putting me in a downward spiral, I wish they'd just do a swab test for me. I really don't care if I have oral herpes, it's not knowing whether these groin pains/fissures are ghsv1 or not that is depressing me. 

I understand that there isn't much you can do for me physically, but your input helps me mentally, because it gives me something to work with. Now I just need to find a doctor who will actually test my IGG levels again (since they also refuse to do that) to confirm whether I have a long standing 1.60 index value, or if it's creeping up, in which case it may be a newer infection that hasn't settled yet. My test was done about 4-6 weeks after the contact that concerns me, which was also the onset of my genital/pelvic symptoms- rash, fissures, mild papercut looking spots, etc... but no typical lesions. I know it takes like 12 weeks to have an established reading, right? 
I was never tested for HSV prior to this because my PCP thinks it's better not to know anything regarding herpes at all. The test came from an urgent care, since my DR wasn't going to help me out, and I wanted to know.

In the event everything clears up by the time I get in for a swab, which I've scheduled  for next week at Planned Parenthood (who refused to swab my hemorrhoids/fissure last time, and will probably do so again...) do you think it's possible I can ask the doctor to let me take the swab home to do myself and drop off at a lab, when I see something that looks like an outbreak? Or do you know of other resources where that may be an option to me?
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55 months ago
Hi again. I have a couple follow up questions. 

 So I was able to see an infectious disease specialist and got another IGG test done. I still came back negative for HSV2, but my HSV1 levels decreased from 1.60 to 1.21. (I was expecting an increase to be honest.)

For context, I don't take any form of meds nor treatment for it, as I don't even know if my current issues are herpes or not, and I've actually been eating poorly to intentionally induce an outbreak if possible, in order to get a swab done. I haven't had any lesions or blisters, just bumps and red spots, and the fissures. I showed the specialist pictures of the anal fissures, which they said looked suspicious, but couldn't swab either way as they've healed now.
 
So my questions are:

1 - Is this usual for levels to go down after 7 weeks, without treatment? and could that indicate a false positive? 

2 - Are there any tests available that can distinguish HSV type location, or is the swab the only one? 

3 - Do you think I should assume I have GHSV1, due to the discomfort I've been dealing with? Or should I just conclude it's OHSV1 from a past exposure?
(My concern is how I disclose this news to partners, as I'm not sure what to say. I don't know anything other than I'm low positive for HSV1)

Thank you.
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
55 months ago
An IgG test done at 12 weeks is just most accurate. You can order your own IgG test, you know, online.  You don't have to wait for a clinician to order it for you.

1 - Is this usual for levels to go down after 7 weeks, without treatment? and could that indicate a false positive?
It is very normal for values to be going up and down like this.

2 - Are there any tests available that can distinguish HSV type location, or is the swab the only one?
If you are actually HSV 2 positive, you can count on it being genital with 95% certainty.

3 - Do you think I should assume I have GHSV1, due to the discomfort I've been dealing with? Or should I just conclude it's OHSV1 from a past exposure?
(My concern is how I disclose this news to partners, as I'm not sure what to say. I don't know anything other than I'm low positive for HSV1)
We don't even know for sure that you have HSV 1. 

You could obtain a herpes western blot that is the most accurate test.

Terri


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