[Question #7561] HIV high risk - PEP

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55 months ago
I (M) had vaginal sex with a prostitute (F) 3 weeks ago. She offered no condom for more money which scares me now. The second round while I was in missionary and pulled out, I noticed the condom was still inside her. I don't know if this came out while I was inside her or as I was pulling out. We used another condom and continued. We had sex for about 50 minutes and probably ten minutes oral. All with condom except for the one incident of it coming out. When I was finished I put hand sanitizer on my penis when I went to my car to leave. I masturbated hard when I went home and the right side of my penis was sore. I started PEP at 40 hours post exposure. Been taking this at the same hour everyday except a few times where I took it 30-40 minutes early. I got a strong dose of hep b vaccine and had mild flu like symptoms 3-5 days later. I took a very hot shower at two weeks and noticed a rash on my hand. I got a 4th gen test the next day and was negative. I thought it was a heat rash. I took a shower at week 3 and put lotion on my hand and it slightly itched and burned on the rash site. The right side of my penis that was sore started itching and burning a couple days after sex and has been itching and burning slightly for the last 3 weeks. It just won't go away. Doctor looked at it and couldn't find anything and I tested negative for hsv2. But I'm sure it's either herpes or hpv. I think I had a herpes outbreak 6 years ago from a blowjob and never realized it. Current sex worker had a cold&cough when we had sex. I am worried if she had initial hiv infection & I have a herpes outbreak after. This would be the perfect storm. It was a cold winter night so it could have been a normal cold. She told me she tested clean 10 days after we saw each other but I know there is a waiting period. I did develop a slight cough but I attribute that to smoking cigs. I have been smoking a lot more than usual. I will finish pep in 8 days & will get tested a few days after. I am terrified. my mind keeps telling me I have hiv
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
55 months ago
Welcome to our forum. Thanks for your question and your detailed description of your situation. I’ll be glad to comment on several aspects of your questions.

1.  The exposure that you describe was low risk. Most commercial sex workers do not have HIV. Your partner stated that she had been tested and most persons tell the truth and you practiced safe, condom-protected sex. Condoms work. When condoms come off, most often they come off as the male is withdrawing and the condom stays behind having done it’s job. This sounds to be the situation that you experienced.  Finally even if your partner had untreated HIV and your condom came off before you with Drew from her, your risk of acquiring infection is less than one in 1000 (I.e. there is a more than 99.9% chance you would not be infected).

2.  Although I personally would not have recommended PEP in your circumstance, you took it and continue to do so for the reducing your risk for infection.

3.  The symptoms you describe are not the least bit suggestive of HIV. Nor are they suggestive of herpes or HPV. Had you acquired herpes lesions would have been seen by the Doctor Who examined you. HPV lesions would not be expected to be present until at least 2 to 3 months following exposure and are typically asymptomatic.

At this time, my advice is to do your best not to worry. The fact that you are taking PEP means that you will not have a definitive answer as to whether or not you were infected with HIV until at least six weeks after completion of PEP.  Testing at this time however would provide reliable proof that your recent symptoms were not due to HIV. When symptoms are due to HIV, tests are always positive.

I hope this information is helpful to you. If any part of this reply is unclear or you have additional questions, you have up to two follow-up questions to seek clarification. EWH
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55 months ago
Thank you, Dr. Hook. Your answer has calmed me down significantly. I will finish PEP and continue testing up to 2 months after PEP.

I would like to ask about the itching and burning on the right side of my penis. The area is still sensitive. I never saw a significant lesion. There was something that looked like a bump, but it wasn't red. Although I am a darker Pakistani male (living in the US) so I think it may be harder to see. At one point there was a small pimple, but I'm not 100% certain. Nothing really prevalent. My mind might have been playing tricks on me. The doctor looked at me 6 days post exposure and assured me nothing was wrong. Whenever the itching/burning increased, I developed a slight runny nose, headache, and slight pain on the right side of my butt. I don't know how much of this was anxiety related. But if the test result was negative for HSV2, could this be related to HSV1 from oral sex, or could it be some other bacteria? Or allergic reaction to hand sanitizer, lysol wipe used on penis, or latex condom? Should I be investigating this further? Or just wait until the itching and burning go away and take heed if it ever comes back. It has decreases significantly (week 3) and I have been using cortisone cream on it. Thank you doctor.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
55 months ago
Burning and itching on the skin of the penis in the absence of lesions is unlikely to be an STI. On the other hand, trauma from repeated and/or prolonged sex as well as masturbation can lead to irritation. In your case however I would expect the application of cleansers including Lysol which can be very irritating is the most likely cause of the irritation you have experience. I would expect us to continue to improve over time.  EWH ---
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55 months ago
Thank you Dr. Hook. Last follow up with questions.

I used lysol wipes in between rounds. I would take the condom off and clean my penis with a lysol wipe then put another condom on. I believe this was done 3 times throughout the hour of sexual activities. You are right that it is what's probably causing the irritation. But could using lysol wipes on my penis in between sexual acts have increased my chance of hiv? As the right side of my penis became irritated.

Also, how confident should I feel with PEP? I know there are very few documented cases. But have you had any patients in your professional experience  of seroconversion after taking correctly and no further exposure risk while on it? Was taking it at 39-40 hours post exposure sufficient? What do you think my chances are with PEP? I know you said my worst chances are 1/1,000 but with pep 20% failure rate. Would this push my chances to 1/5,000?

I am getting tested 2 days after finishing pep. If negative, how confident should I feel after this test? I will be getting tested in 2 week intervals after PEP up to 2 month of testing post PEP.

Thank you so much for your help doctor. I may come back and submit a new thread of questions after my test post PEP.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
55 months ago

There is no need to worry that your use of Lysol between sex acts immediately changed your risk for HIV.  That said, this can be quite irritating.  Please do not do this again.

Your risk for infection would have been less than 1 in 1000 if your encounters had been unprotected (they were not) and if you were sure she had untreated HIV (you do not know this).  The PEP you took, within the recommended window would have further reduced any risk.  Considering all of this, your risk for infection is far, far less than 1 in 5000.  You should not be worried.

Testing two days after completion of PEP will prove that any symptoms you have noted were not due to HIV.  While testing after completion of PEP is reassuring, the official recommendation is that such results are not conclusive until at least six weeks after the last dose of PEP. In your case, your risk, even before you started PEP was so low that you should not be worried.

This completes this thread.  I hope that the information I have provided has been helpful.  take care.  EWH

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