[Question #7826] RPR and Hep C conclusiveness?
51 months ago
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Hello, unfortunately I'm back with another question. My fears over having HIV are gone at this point as my 4th gen and PCR RNA tests came back negative at 100 days. However I'm a bit anxious about my results regarding syphilis and Hep C. Again, I had unprotected sex on 12/28 and 1/6. I had an RPR test done on 2/21 (47 days I think) which was non-reactive. This was done at a local ER. I went back the next day because I was showing symptoms of Gono/Chlamydia (discharge) and the tests for it hadn't come back yet at the time, so they gave me a shot of Ceftriaxone500mg and put me on Doxycycline which I believe I took for 14 days but I don't remember, may have been 10. I obviously didn't need those for G/C as they came back negative. After visiting my doctor we confirmed I had a bacterial infection of eterococcus faecalis which I went on two 10-day courses of penicillin VK for.
In between and after all this, I had a Syphilis test negative at another local hospital on 3/01 (54 days, though I don't know if this was RPR or not because it doesn't say on the sheet they gave me, it only says "Syphilis Screen"). RPR and Hep C negative on 3/04 (57 days) via Quest, and neg again for both on 3/31 (84 days) at LabCorp. I feel anxious though as I''ve read Hep C can take up to 9 months for antibodies to show up, and those are the tests I've been having. And I also feel nervous that my courses of Doxy and penicillin may have skewed my RPR results. Today at Quest I got done an RPR, Syphilis TP, and Hep C RNA PCR tests. Should I expect those to come back negative? I haven't had any symptoms besides a large pained zit or boil on my chest and a stiff, achey jaw. Thanks for the help of this forum, it's a huge help for those with terrible anxiety like myself.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
51 months ago
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Welcome back, but sorry you found it necessary.
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Your test results for both syphilis and hepatitis C virus (HCV) are definitely conclusive. Your exposure was zero risk for both: syphilis is almost nonexistent in partners like yours, and HCV (contrary to popular beliefs) is rarely if ever sexually tranmitted and should not be considered an STD. (The only proved sexual transmission of HCV is among men having potentially traumatic rectal exposures with other men. Aside from men having sex with men, HCV should not be included in STD test panels.) But even if either of these was a potential risk, the test results prove you were not infected. The only way your antibiotic treatments could have "skewed" your syphilis test results would be by curing syphilis before the test ever became positive. Either way, for sure you do not have either of these infections and should not have any further tests for either one.
I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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51 months ago
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Thank you Dr, it appears you were right: Today my RPR, Syphilis T. Pallidum, and Hep C RNA results all came back Negative/Non-Reactive. I just have a few follow-up q's:
1. The Syphilis T.P. test is for seeing if you ever had the virus at one point, yes? It's been over 100 days since I've had sex, so I can rule out syphilis entirely at this point right (I'm sure the answer is yes, I'm just making sure)?
2. In regards to gonorrhea/chlamydia, I've had several negatives especially at 47 days which was before I started any antibiotic treatment. It was at the hospital and I was hooked up to an IV so I could give them a urine sample. Is there any bearing on a G/C test regarding how long it was since I last urinated? I just ask because the woman who took my blood and urine at Quest at 57 days asked me if it had been an hour since I last urinated. This was in the morning so it had barely been an hour. Does it matter if it was 1 or 2 hours? I just keep thinking maybe I didn't do it right at 54, 57, and 84 days since I never really kept tract of when I last voided before being tested. If someone is poz for G/C does that necessarily matter?
3. Along a similar question of #2, I got tested for Mycoplasma and Ureaplasma at a urologist in the middle of March. I don't remember what day, but it was in the middle of my penicillin treatment which was in that time of the month. I can't help but wonder if my not keeping track of when I last voided / my antibiotic treatments may have interfered. I was having discharge symptoms and a general leaky feeling along this time until a few days into April, but it was never discolored or smelled bad. It was this symptom that had my doctor take a culture and it was an eteroccocus faecalis infection that I went on the penicillin for. This also seemed weirdly related to when I had quit marijuana, as the symptom of discharge disappeared during my first 10-day penicillin course but then reappeared a couple days after I relapsed and smoked with my friends. It's been 48 days since I did last smoke and I don't feel this discharge or leakiness anymore. And again, it never smelled bad and was only discolored when I first noticed it which is what prompted my doctor to take the culture. Would mycoplasma/ureaplasama show up on a culture swab? And how long should I wait at this point before testing again for them (if I need to be tested that is)? I'm seeing my urologist on 5/12 so I wonder if I should get another test.
Anyway thank you Dr. This forum service is very helpful.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
51 months ago
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1. Syphilis blood tests are complex and there are several potential uses for the T. pallidum-speicifc tests. Such a test would have been done had your RPR been positive. The negative result shows you do not have syphilis at this time and could not have acquired from your recent encounter. It does not say conclusively whether or not you have ever had syphilis. If you have, that infection is currently inactive and not a health concern.
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2. Time since last urination makes no difference in gonorrhea or chlamydia test reliability.
3. E. faecalis is not normally sexually acquired or transmitted. However, if you had insertive anal sex (top) soon before onset of that problem, you might have had urethritis due to that bacteria, which is a normal component of intestinal and rectal bacteria. Absent such exposure, you had a non-STD urinary tract infection, with urethritis and/or prostatitis. In any case, it sounds like that problem is gone. As all this implies, it isn't an STD problem and I'll have nothing more to say about it. Bring up any remaining questions with the urologist. (Make sure s/he has the full picture of your sexual risks, if any -- especially if you have had anal sex or have sex with men.)
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
51 months ago
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More about time to reliable urine testing; I should have commented on the conflicet between my advice and that you had at the time. Official advice from test manufacturers is to wait either 1 or 2 hours (depending on the particular test) since previously urinating, That's because the research studies on test performance -- the basis of FDA approval -- had subjects wait that long. That doesn't mean the test is necssarily unreliable with shorter waiting times, only that it wasn't formally studied. The clinical experience in busy STD clinics in the 20 years these tests have been in use is that it makes no difference, despite the official recommendation.---
51 months ago
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Thank you Dr. It was just very perplexing that I had the E. faecalis infection happen not long after I last had sex on 1/6. It was that and 12/28 that I had unprotected insertive PIV sex with a woman. Besides these two instances I haven't had sex with anyone, and I've never had sex with a man. If anything, am I clear on STDs in general? The last time I had a panel was on 3/31, 84 days after. Everything came back negative. Is there any further testing I need to do?
And I intend to test again for Mycoplasma/Ureaplasma at the urologists on 5/12, is there anything I need to do to prepare for that test (like making it my first void of the day, drinking lots of water, etc etc)? It has never once burned or pained me to urinate in the past 3-almost 4 months, no fevers, etc etc. I just ask because I'd like to put thoughts of STDs behind me and I very much value your expertise on them. I keep thinking I may have to be tested again at 6 months, but again everything has come back negative at 12 weeks (my last full full panel that is, HIV, Syph, G/C, Hep A B and C, etc. I received my Hep B vaccine as a child due to attending public school). Thank you very much and I'm aware this is my last possible reply.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
51 months ago
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With that further explanation, it is likley you had standard nongonococcal urethritis (NGU), and the E. facalis was a contaminant or incodental conlonization of your urethra. It's conceivable it was a UTIor prostatitis unrleated to the sexual exposure. You'll never know which, and at dhis point I don't think it matters.
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I recommend against testing for Ureaplasma or Mycoplasma. As I said above, they are normal in the genital tract and rarely if ever cause disease or symptoms. If positive, it won't mean anything is wrong and will not require treatment. So why do it? (All STD experts and CDC strongly recommend against ever testing for them!) And therefore it doesn't matter whether or how you "prepare".
That concludes this thread. I hope the discussion has been helpful.
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