[Question #7860] Discharge follow up

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51 months ago
Hey there, I’m following up on my previous question with some updates/test results. I first noticed clear discharge staining my underwear , and a week later after a long sleep noticed that it was yellow. After that I was tested for trich/gonorreH/chlamydia and those came back negative yesterday. I notice that in my urethra it’s slightly red  starting about 1cm in. 0 dysuria. 0 Meatitis.  I first noticed the staining in my underwear 24-36 hours after receiving oral from a new partner. I had unprotected sex with a different consistent partner about a week prior.  I’ve had these same symptoms before about 6 months ago and was prescribed a Zpack and the symptoms cleared in about 3 days. This time I was given doxy and it has been 3.5 days and I woke up with slight clear discharge again(not enough to leak out but I had that “glued shut” thing. I’m curious why you think it’s taking longer to clear this time. It has me concerned that it’s something viral such as herpes. Is there any possibility of herpes showing up as discharge/painless urethritis being the ONLY symptom? Also is it normal for my symptoms to not be gone by now? Maybe doxy takes slightly longer to clear it than the Zpack did?  Have you seen in your experience bacterial NSU taking longer than a few days to resolve after starting treatment?  Thanks for your services 
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
51 months ago
Welcome back o the Forum.  I'm sure this is getting frustrating for you.  Several comments and thoughts below, in no particular order:
1.  The recurrent nature of this problem and the slow response to doxycycline makes this unusual and, as I've said before, makes me wonder about none-STI urological problems.  There is only so much that can be done on-line and I think you might benefit from formal evaluation if this continues to persist.

2.  Herpes.  In large studies of the causes of urethritis, herpes is detected no more than 1-2% of the time.  Classically HSV urethritis is painful and accompanied by external lesions but that is not always the case.  If this is HSV, during symptomatic periods a urethral swab tested by PCR will be positive.  if the symptoms are still present, while unlikely this would be pursing.   FYI, a blood test for HSV will NOT provide any useful information in this situation.

3.  Response to therapy.  Typically NGU should be markedly improved within 2-3 days of starting effective therapy, no matter what cause. This is part of the reason I find myself wondering about other, non-STI urological problems.

Hope these thoughts/comments are helpful.  EWH
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51 months ago
Thanks for the reply. I will say this. It’s been 3.5 days since I noticed the yellow staining and I have not noticed any yellow discharge since starting the doxy on that day. I will admit I’m very ocd about this stuff and check quite incessantly. I actually do notice an improvement in the redness inside my urethra today (it was never bad and I was looking closeley) but it is retiring to normal color now, and the clear discharge is lessening it’s just 100% resolved and I guess that’s my qualm. 

I’ve tested negative for both types of herpes 8 months ago and have had painful urethritis in the past from oral (5 years ago with no discharge tho, or atleast I didn’t notice) but this one isn’t painful, I have no swollen lymph nodes. The first time this happened (the yellow discharge) and I explained my symptoms here dr handsfield said absolutely not herpes. He said in that form it should start to improve in 2-3 days but may take 7-10 to 100% resolve , but you seem to think it’s strange that it’s not totally resolved yet. Maybe this clarification post can give you some more insight. Thanks again!
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51 months ago
Not 100% resolved, that’s my qualm** forgot the word “not” 
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51 months ago
Just an update: the redness in urethra is noticeably Imroved. Basically looks normal now. The discharge is a lot less as well, over the 36-48 hours or so I’ve only noticed that “glued shit” (this is a bit of an exaggeration but I’m sure you know what I mean) is only present after a full nights sleep. It doesn’t seem to be enough to stain my underwear like it was.  Before treatment and on days 0-2 after starting doxy I would notice after only a couple of hours of laying down, and underwear would be stained in the morning. My ocd regarding this makes me check it every time wake up in the night tho.  
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
51 months ago
Thanks for your follow up. At this point you can be 100% sure that you do not have an STI and that unprotected sex with your regular partner does not represent a risk for her. That said, your discharge was not normal. My advice is unchanged with just one small addition.  I still think that evaluation by a urologist may be helpful for you, Looking for another process such as prostatitis or an anatomic variation.  More importantly however I think that your genitally focused anxiety and repeated self examinations are likely to be prolonging your symptoms and contributing to the problem. Work to find a way to keep your hands off of your penis. EWH---
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51 months ago
Another update: symptoms appear to be totally resolved , or atleast 95% resolved. It hasn’t even been 5 days since taking the antibiotic, what makes you 100% sure this wasn’t NGU like last time? This timeline fell perfectly within dr handsfields response, and he seemed certain it was ngu. I’m just kind of confused. It’s pretty much totally cleared up why would I need to see a urologist? The doctor I saw a few days ago said this would only be necessary if my symptoms didn’t  get better after a week or so 
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
51 months ago
You are overly focused on details and nuances.  It may have been NGU but NGU is a CLINICAL SYNDROME which merely describes the finding- in this case urethral inflammation manifest as a urethral discharge.  While far and away most NGU is related to sexual activity but non-STI problems can also cause NGU NGU is also seen with chronic inflammatory problems (rheumatic diseases such a reactive arthritis), as a complication of non-STI viral infections including adenovirus infections and and a long list of other problems.   Urethritis can also occur as the result of anatomic variation (a urological problem) and prostatitis (likewise a urological problem).  Finally, as I've pointed out, repetitive self examination can also cause irritation and resulting discharge.  

You waffle between it's cleared up- mostly cleared up- and now totally cleared up.  This betrays your anxiety.  If the discharge is now truly TOTALLY resolved, you do not need additional follow-up.  OTOH, I note that this thread is your 8th trip to the site in the past 8 months and that many of these visits have related to urethritis symptoms.  You asked for my assessment after delineating your questions about the recurrent nature of the problem and it's slow response (which no longer seems to be the case).  You have gotten it repeatedly and now appear to want to argue that something else is going on or that is does not need further investigation.  I'm really not sure what you're looking for here.  If you want further evaluation, examination by a thoughtful, well informed urologist remains my recommendation.

I hope this perspective is helpful.    EWH
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51 months ago
Thanks for your patience dr hook, I’m sorry for the incessant nature of my questions. The mental side of this is something I’ve battled my whole life and something I’m seeking help for. If the issue recurs again without a new sexual partner I will go to a urologist. I think my expectations were that I’d take a doxy and 24 hours later I’d be 100% back to normal, and when that wasn’t the case my anxiety took over. but I understand the inflammation can take a few days to heal. And I don’t mean to waffle it’s just that there is no pain and there never was.. and the issue seems to be pretty minor that it’s difficult to guAge the healing process. 
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
51 months ago
Your focus on the discharge is not helping.  To expect complete resolution in 24 hours, particularly with anxiety-fueled repeated self-examination is just not realistic.  

End of thread. EWH
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