[Question #7976] Conflicting Testing Window Info.

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50 months ago

Hello Dr.

 

First off - I’m sure you can see my prior questions and I apologize for revisiting the forum again so soon.  However, I was presented with some conflicting information and I would like to get it verified.  As you can see from my prior questions (#7855)(#7886), my exposure was low risk, yet I’ve experienced several unexplained symptoms.  To ease my anxiety, I tested frequently with Oraquick and had 2 4th generation blood drawn tests.  One at 55 days, then 2nd just last week at 84 days (12 weeks).  All tests were negative.  I was also tested for all other STD’s as well - all negative. 

 

1)    I tested at a health department for the 4th generation tests and the first time it was done the nurse advised me that at 8 weeks the tests are highly accurate.  He said that I could always return at a later date and be tested for peace of mind, which I did last week.  The nurse that did the test then told me that I was only about 80% conclusive at 12 weeks and she even asked the provider on call to verify that.  She mentioned that since I had an exposure with someone that I had no background with that I needed to be tested every 3 months up until a year in order to be clear.  I was floored - what’s the purpose of a 4th generation test, if it’s going to take that long to be conclusive?  Have you ever heard of such advice??

 

2)    Having heard that from the nurse I started investigating the 4th generation tests the best I could.  The only thing that I could see as to why they would have said to keep coming back for testing is that the tests are helpful in finding the P24 antigen early, but that antigen usually disappears quickly after a few weeks.  It would seem that the test would then be the equivalent of an antibody only test (less effective after the antigen disappears).  Am I way off base with that or is the test as good at week 12 as it would be for early detection in week 3?  

 

3)    As I’m sure you can see from my last questions - I’ve had white tongue, loss of appetite, nausea and persistent diarrhea for the last 2 months.  I was on Doxycycline for 20 days prior to having those symptoms, but as you know they also mirror some ARS symptoms.  The million-dollar question in mind is that if I did have HIV, would my tests have shown reactive?  Could the tests have missed HIV if the issues I have been experiencing were actually from HIV…I keep reading that test results overrule symptoms, but again with what I was told at the health department certain cast doubt in my mind. 

 

4)    Have you ever had dealt with patients that have experienced extreme trauma of the fear/anxiety of HIV exposure testing?  I just started working a couple of days ago with a therapist on my fears and subsequently started medication as well.  As mentioned above I have had chronic diarrhea for 2 months and my PCP and I cannot determine the root cause yet.  Stool studies are negative, so it is somewhat looking like anxiety from the HIV fear.  Any experience dealing with patients in those scenarios in the past?

 

Thank you again and I assure you that I’m only back because of the immensely conflicting information that I received from the health department.

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Edward W. Hook M.D.
50 months ago
Welcome back to the forum. I’m sorry you continue to worry about the possibility of HIV. As you know, Dr. Handsfield and I share the forum and on this occasion I happened to pick up your questions.  Wes, on this occasion you’re you will be getting my opinions which I am confident will precisely mirror Dr. Handsfield’s assessment during your earlier interactions.  In preparing them to answer them I reviewed your prior interactions with Dr. Handsfield and agree with all that he said. In fact many of your current questions could really be answered by reviewing your earlier interactions with Dr. Handsfield.  

Let me also clarify a few basic facts. You characterize your exposure as low risk. I disagree, like Dr. Handsfield, I would classify it as in affectively no risk event.  Second, I urge you to appreciate that the symptoms you mention are relatively nonspecific with numerous possible causes.  A major reason for performing laboratory tests is to narrow the possibilities, ruling out some causes in order to permit consideration of other causes.  In your case, you have incontrovertibly ruled out the possibility of having been the first person to ever acquire HIV from the virtually no risk exposures you described.  On the other hand, your anxiety may have worked to amplify the symptoms you experienced.

With that background, let me now address your questions:
1.  It’s unfortunate when an anxious person receives misinformation from a health care provider.  The nurse who told you that your 12 week tests were only 80% conclusive was categorically wrong and the recommendation that you need further testing, much more for a year, was inexcusably incorrect.  I, like the nurse you saw originally and Dr. Handsfield, assure you that your 8 week test was conclusive and your 12 week result proves this.  Further testing related to these exposures is not only a waste of time and resources but not good for your mental health either.  Ask your therapist.

2.  The p24 antigen levels may decline and even become undetectable when antibody levels get high and tie up the antigen.  At that time the antibody portion of the 4th generation tests are always positive.  Once 4th generation tests become positive, they stay positive.

3.  Once persons with HIV are symptomatic, their tests are always positive.

4.  Yes, frequently.  The stigma and fear associated with casual sex and HIV CONCERNS can interact seriously in anxious persons.  Seeing a mental health professional is the right thing to do.

Hope this helps.  Believe your test results.  You do not have HIV. EWH 
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49 months ago
Thank you Dr. Hook - I really appreciate your expertise and that of Dr. Handsfield.  Your reply definitely helped.  Thanks again!