[Question #8086] No one gets hiv hepatitis b c injection or blood draw

49 months ago

plz answer ALL points

dear doc Hunter I have studied on medhelp These questions you have already answered so answer wil not change for me

I wanted to ask there no risk for injections or blood draw for hiv or hepatitis b c or STDs or any other blood borne infection .

1) You have said THE ONLY WAY anyone gets infected from injection (iv drips , vaccines etc ) or blood draw is if nurse re used a needle /syringe on me for injection or blood draw that had been used on previous patient

Since this is the only way we can get infected there are no other ways we can get infected for hiv or hepatitis b c STDs or any other blood borne infection

THAT MEANS point 2 and 3 are NOT hiv or blood borne infections medhelp.

2) for e.g I read on medhelp you have said dr hunter that if nurse prick the tip of needle and blood went into the needle then nurse gave me injection or did blood draw this is not how patients have been infected for hiv or hepatitis b c STDs or any other blood borne infection even if the health care provider ( nurse , doctor etc ) is infected with hiv or hepatitis b c STDs so I won’t be the first to get infected biological reasons don’t matter ?

3) injection from multi dose vial or single dose

vial or any vial has never caused hiv hepatitis b ,c STDs . If I worry that my vial got contaminated with hiv hepatitis b c STDs if nurse inserted a used needle into the vial from previous patient and blood or bodily fluid got into the vial And then later the vial was used on me for injection.

No body has been infected from vials used for injections so I won’t be the first this I read on medhelp you have said this dr hhh

This was my main worry

4) I have evidence to support your Answer on Medhelp for point 2 and 3 I will get scared if you change your answer so Plz don’t do that :/ and I can move forward .

Only way we get infected is explained in point 1

49 months ago

Typing error for point 1 last line I meant point 1 is the ONLY WAY we get infected therefore point 2 and 3 are NOT RISKS for HIV or other blood borne infection I can provide links from medhelp

H. Hunter Handsfield, MD

49 months ago

It is apparent you have asked similar questions repeatedly, and you probably have been warned about repeated anxiety-driven questions answered previously, or whose answers should be obvious. But you are now using a different username and/or account and I cannot see the previous discussions. Please provide your past username(s) or account information, or question numbers, and then I will respond. Do so within 24 hours, after which this question will be deleted.

Thanks-- HHH, MD

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49 months ago

Dear doctor hunter I may have asked question once but I assure you this for my daughter only

I have never asked various questions none but I have OVER READ from medhelp

I assure you my intent is not to abuse this forum

But reading your views on medhelp sir has certainly changed my life for he better I just want you to re confirm these points

And I won’t be bothering you kind sir

49 months ago

I do realiSe people may annoy you sir but I assure

Your words are LIFE CHANGING this is not a waste sir

Waiting anxiously for your approval on replying to my consult

H. Hunter Handsfield, MD

49 months ago

OK, thanks for clarifying -- and for your understanding of forum policy and procedures. My apology for my perhaps unfair assumptions. Welcome to the forum and thank you for your confidence in our services. To your questions:

1) That these viruses are not transmitted through having blood drawn does not mean they are not blood borne. They are, and almost all human infections with hepatitis B and C, and many HIV infections, are transmitted by blood exposure. But there is essentially no blood exposure when someone has blood drawn by nurses or other trained medical personnel. Currently used blood drawing equipment and procedures prevent it, with no known exceptions.

2) I'm also not sure I understand this question. IF a nurse uses a needle that had previously been used on a different (infected) patient, of course that could result in transmission of infection. But this never happens and is nothing to worry about. As noted in question 1, with well designed equipment, it is pretty much impossible to use the same device to draw blood from two different persons; and nobody uses syringes or needles that have previously been used on other patients.

3) This is true: Proper use of multidose vials of medications, vaccines, etc prevents contamination of the vials. And even if such contamination occurs, virtually all medications contain preservatives that would kill these viruses if somehow contamination did happen. This also is nothing for your daughter (or anyone else) to be worried about.

4) Our advice on these issues both on MedHelp and on this forum has been consistent and unchanged for many years. If you perceive any differences, I suggest you re-read the discussions in question. We have not changed our opinions or scientific advice.

Let me know if anything isn't clear.

HHH, MD

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49 months ago

thanks for reply

I’ll rephrase my question 1 and 2 you seemed to miss the typing error I made :( hence you did not understand the question I ask again

1) what am asking is how does one get blood borne infection from injection or blood draw process ?

You dr have said that ONLY WAY any patient gets infected for hiv or hepatitis b , c or any other blood borne infection is when nurse would re use a needle that had just been recently used on another patient but nurse won’t do that .

so that means there are no other ways we get infected such as point 2 and 3 are NOT risks for any blood borne infection

2) for point 2 previous question I meant when I took my daughter for injection & blood draw i saw nurse prick the the tip needle of needle before inserting the needle into my daughter if blood went into the needle from nurse hand because of prick then insert needle into my daughter for injection or blood draw its no risk

Dr hhh have said on MEDHELP that no patient gets infected or hiv or hepatitis b ,c or any blood borne infection this way even if Nurse is infected with these virus so my daughter won’t be the first

For info : I read this for both injection or blood draw process on medhelp for this unlikely scenario .

3A) clarification on injection when you say “nothing to worry on vials “it means

Most importantly that there is no documented cases of anyone being infected with hiv or hepatitis b c or STDs or any blood borne infection from multi dose vial , single dose vial or any vial when used for injection or any procedure if one thought the vial was contaminated with these viruses for e.g nurse inserted a used needle into vial from previous client blood or bodily fluid went into the vial and later that same vial was used for injection so my daughter won’t be the first .

3b) since all viruses will die immediately because of the contents in the vial if blood or bodily fluid got in the vial that’s why my daughter cannot get hiv or hepatitis b c STDs from the injection from the vial .

Note : i will use one last clarification on vial on next reply and that’s it i won’t return here

Plz answer all points so I know you understood

I’ll keep my last post brief

49 months ago

I just need clarity on vial

All other questions 1 and 2 are spot on Medhelp so plz don’t scare me by changing your answer I’m confident you won’t I wish to move on

H. Hunter Handsfield, MD

49 months ago

You ask the question how it could happen then you state the answer. I agree. The other statements also are correct -- I see no question except to agree that you understand what I and all other experts have advised. I see no need to go through them all point by point. Please do not ask again for me to repeat myself. If you do, I will delete the thread at that point, without replying further.---

49 months ago

Thank you my intention was not to offend you sir just making sure you understood

This has been appreciated I apologise for inconvenience caused .

1) well I have understood that no vial has ever caused hiv or hepatitis b , c STDs or other blood borne infection if vials were to somehow get contaminated with hiv or hepatitis b ,c , STDs or other blood borne infection .

And later same vial was used for injection for e.g one vaccine vial used on multiple patients for injection you don’t get one vial per person

So all is well my daughter is safe from the injection she got from the vial and cannot get any blood borne infection

1b) just to be clear vials are glass bottle where liquid medicine/ solution is stored this is what we have been talking about and it can be used on multiple patients for injections it’s no risk for any virus .

correct I’ll post a link

2)I wanted to ask no one has been infected for hiv or hepatitis b c STDs from finger prick lancet blood draw test for e.g sugar test as well even nurse is infected with these viruses this you also say .

3)bottom line : read that you say no one gets viral hepatitis from any type of injection iv drips vaccine etc

the word viral hepatitis means hepatitis b and c correct ?

49 months ago

https://www.google.com.pk/search?q=vial+multi+dose&client=safari&hl=en-pk&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNoqqDp4XyAhXzaRUIHfgbDkYQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=375&bih=629#imgrc=wyMM3D_geJGJjM

That’s link for vial for question 1 and 1b this is what we have been talking about

Lastly thank you for helping ME FOR my Daughter I can SLEEP WELL

Good health to you kind sir best wishes

49 months ago

The link I sent it’s only to show you the PICTURE OF THE VIAL for question 1 and 1b

H. Hunter Handsfield, MD

49 months ago

You're looking at all this in far more detail than I have ever had to consider, and more detail than needed to assure safety of having blood drawn. The structure of the vials makes no difference; I looked at that website but didn't see anything helpful -- none of the vials shows makes any difference in safety of use in regard to infection prevention. There are at least 4 kinds of viral hepatitis -- hepatitis A and D as well as B and C; and other viruses can sometimes cause hepatitis as well (e.g. cytomegalovirus), and perhaps unknown viruses not yet discovered. However, in terms of blood exposure, 99+% of hepatitis risk is hep B and C.

I don't believe your daughter is concerned at all. Clearly you are the one obsessing about all this. Your thinking on this is quite abnormal: why do you care so much about something that is not known to ever happen? All other forum users have been satisfied with our judgement that nobody catches any blood borne viruses by having blood drawn or receiving injections, without caring much about the details.

I do hope the discussion has been helpful. But his must be your last question about these issues. Thank you for your understanding.

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