[Question #8089] HIV from penis head rubbing/ARS symptoms

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49 months ago
Hi doctor, thank you for all you do on this forum.

On the 16th of July ,(11 days ago) I was stupid enough that I went to see a transgender escort/masseuse after a year of abstinence. During the session with her there was no sex involved and only limited to a 'sensual massage'. During the massage, she performed analingus,rimming and rubbed and poked her unprotected penis head against my anus, however at NO point did it enter my anal cavity or so i think( I am a male btw). I have also asked the csw if she did penetrate me and she assured me that she did not or I would have 'felt' it. Before we started, I did ask her health status and she assured me that she was clean, undergoing monthly tests(of which the most recent negative test was a week before i met her) and following PREP doses for almost 2 years now. Additionally she has recently got her visa done and HIV testing is part of the medical to get said visa.

While I know that analingus and the rimming are not forms of transmission, the 'poking' and 'rubbing' of the penis has got me quite worried. About 3 days ago I have started to get muscle pain behind my right knee and still there today. This in turn has made me very anxious as I read online that muscle aches are a part of ARS.

My question is if the muscle pain is a start of the ARS and if this whole episode given the recent negative  reports and the involvement of PREP is a risk for HIV and if testing is required? 

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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
49 months ago
Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your confidence in our services.

From your description, this was a zero risk exposure for all practical purposes -- by someone who almost certainly doesn't have HIV. There could be a small risk of other STIs, i.e. those transmitted not by fluids (like HIV) but by skin-skin contact, like herpes, HPV and syphilis. However, even these would be very low ir any risk. In addition, localized muscle pain is not a symptom that suggests a new HIV infection, or any other STI. I'm sure this has nothing to do with the massage experience described.

So you really need not be at all worried, and I don't recommend any testing.

I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.

HHH, MD
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49 months ago
Hello doctor, thank you for your advice.

I forgot to mention previously that at the time of the visit I had a pilonidal cyst. It is something I have from time to time and it heals itself. I don’t think it burst at the time but it did go away after 3-4 days of the exposure. In case it did burst, does your advice stand? Also if more symptoms appear in the coming days does that change anything?  
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49 months ago
Also, I am waiting for 28 days to complete so that I can go tested as that is the time frame given by the doctor in dubai. 

Given all the above circumstances that no penetration has occurred, she furnished recent negative reports and is on PREP for 2 years now, what are the chances that it could return positive?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
49 months ago
This remains a no risk event, regardless of the pilonidal cyst -- for the reasons you summarize in your last sentence above.  You don't need testing -- but if you do it, your doctor's advice for a 28 day test is OK for an antigen-antibody (AgAb, "4th generation") HIV blood test.---
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49 months ago
Thank you doctor for your advice,

As a last point, what are the chances of my test coming back as positive? I do sincerely apologise if I am being annoying as this episode is absolutely destroying me mentally..
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
49 months ago
Isn’t the answer obvious??? If not at risk and therefore you were not infected, of course you can expect a negative test result.

All my replies were designed to prevent or resolve your “destroying me mentally” issue. Did you even read my replies? Why haven’t they helped? Please reread every word of all my comments, paying very close attention. Then if you’re still upset and worried, maybe seek mental health counseling. It isn’t normal to remain so worried after such reasoned, science-based reassurance.

That ends this thread. I hope the discussion has been helpful. Good luck.
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