[Question #8104] Urine samples and postal kits

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48 months ago
Hi Drs

You answered my question a while back that ended my doubts. Just one final thing. 

In the past I have used the postal kits for urine tests, but at times they have taken long in transit, sometimes being received at the lab at 4 days (longer than 4 days if counting in hrs).

I have seen one website say they should be received at the lab within 4 days to be effective. Another Australian health guideline site says gonorrhea cultures start to degrade in 24 hrs.

Also some sites say urine samples should be refrigerated. Obviously if they are sent by post and in transit for 4 days they won't be 4 degrees.

Ultimately- will these samples be viable to give an accurate (and not false negative) based on the above?
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48 months ago
I would like to add that the laboratory for the gonorrhea test states this is a 'First Catch Random Urine' test.

Is this likely to be the NAAT? If it isn't, I think it will throw everything into doubt.

Thanks
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
48 months ago
Welcome back and thanks for your continued confidence in this forum and our advice.

If I correctly understand, you have been searching several online sources about specimen collection and management, with emphasis on postal delivery. While I can understand looking at the advice by whatever testing service you used, chasing additional ones seems to reinforce one of my comments in replying to your previous question:  "You're really over-thinking all this and splitting hairs in terms of the statistical odds. Just accept your test results and let it go!"

I continue to stand by that statement! First, NAATs are nearly universally employed by labs that offer postal delivery for gonorrhea, chlamydia, and others (e.g. trichomonas or M. gentalium). Second, DNA is exceedingly stable -- just think of all the media stories about identifying and analyzing DNA in long dead tissues. Third, when specimen management instructions advise things like 4 day arrival in the lab, refrigeration, or similar issues, that only means that these parameters were used in the pre-approval research and therefore accuracy cannot be guaranteed outside these standards. For example, if samples were tested at 4 days, or if always refrigerated after collection, the approved instructions must say the same thing. That doesn't mean that the test is otherwise unreliable, only that the test has not been studied outside those limits. (By the same token, a drug that has a particular expiration date rarely if ever becomes less effective or more toxic after the expiry date.) Finally, I'll point out that in some settings -- think resource poor areas like tropical Africa -- the accuracy of NAAT testing for STIs, as well as for many other pathogens, has been shown to be unaffected by very prolonged transit time or failed refrigeration, with temperatures in transit often >40C.

All of which supports my basic responses in your previous thread, which I repeat now:  You can trust your test results -- not to mention all the other factors about how low risk your exposure was (discussed last time). It's time for you to move on without giving any of this another thought -- and certainly no more online searching for reasons that you actually might be infected. Got it?

Best wishes. Let me know if anything still isn't clear.

HHH, MD
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48 months ago
Thank you so much for the excellent reply doctor. That is certainly good to know.

Last thing then you can close the thread if you wish.

I have been having a drop of clear pre-cum like fluid emerge from my penis every morning about an hour after waking (after urinating and defeating).

It has the consistency of pre-cum and has occurred after morning erections but also at times when I can't remember having a morning erection.

Not cloudy or coloured at all and no pain while urinating.

Could this be undetected gonorrhoea coming back from the wife?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
48 months ago
It is normal pre-ejaculate fluid (pre-cum). You can safely assume you have erections that you are unaware of while sleeping. This is normal:  most men have erections during the rapid eye movement (REM) stage of sleep, which also is when most dreaming happens. ---
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48 months ago
Thanks Dr!

And final final question - though from what I understand my exposure was almost zero risk for HIV and Hepatitis - is 7 weeks sufficient to rule out both of them for good?

Thanks for the clear and excellent responses, have really put my mind at ease
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
48 months ago
Either or both tests would be strictly for reassurance if you will be more reassured by the negative results. If you test, 7 weeks will be conclusive (for HIV it must be an antigen-antibody test, i.e. 4th generation).

Thanks for the thanks -- I'm glad to have help put these issues to rest. That completes this thread. Best wishes.
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