[Question #8157] Should I test again or stop worrying?

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48 months ago
Let me start by saying that I am a major hypochondriac and deal with anxiety a lot so not sure if that anxiety are to blame for my symptoms. Anyway, I performed oral sex on my ex who is male. I held ejaculation in my mouth for a little because there was nowhere to spit and then swallowed. This was the extent of my exposure. 

About 3 weeks after I dealt with congestion that could have been caused by allergies. There was a lot of sneezing and then about a week of post nasal drip. I also had a sore throat.  I took a Claritin D that then made my mouth and throat really dry and the sore throat persisted for a few days after. 

I got tested with CMIA 4th gen  duo test at 38 days post exposure and u was negative but then I started getting diarrhea every morning for about 3 weeks. It wouldn’t happen during the day, just in the morning. Sometimes looser than I’m used to and sometimes watery. It cleared up with Imodium. 

I convinced my ex to get tested and he did at 44 days with a 4th gen test with reflex and he was also negative. In the days that followed I have had random days (not everyday, just here and there) of headaches or lightheadedness and fatigue. No fever. 2 weeks ago, I noticed a 2 swollen lymph nodes on my neck while I have been having a persistent dry cough ever since my sore throat subsided. So it’s been about 3 weeks. 

My question is: are these tests conclusive or should I still be worried and retest judging by my symptoms? My ex assures me I have nothing to worry about and he took the test and showed me the results to ease my mind but I am still really worried. 
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48 months ago
I also forgot to add that this week I noticed I have what I believe to be a hemorrhoid which isn’t uncommon for me and I don’t know if it’s related. I also had a day where I had swelling on my nose near my eyes while also battled a headache which I also don’t know if it’s related or not. Another day I had tingling in my hands which I think was brought on by my anxiety. I think it’s important to note also that all these symptoms have been drawn out for weeks and most of them have not happened concurrently. For example the sore throat and diarrhea and cough did not happen together. Headaches and lightheadedness happened later. 
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
48 months ago
Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your confidence in our services.

It is 100% certain you do not have HIV, because indeed the test results you report are conclusive. Your negative HIV test, at 38 days, is around 99% conclusive; and your partner's negative test proves for sure he was not infected at the time of your exposure.

Also even if your partner were infected, the average transmission risk for a single episode of performing fellatio (with semen swallowing) is around 1 in 10,000 (equivalent to giving BJs to HIV infected men once daily for 27 years before transmission might be likely).  Further, your symptoms were not concerning:  new HIV infections do not cause nasal congestion, sneezing, or postnasal drip. Finally, none of the symptoms described in your follow-up message are at all suggestive of HIV.

I hope these comments allow you to move on without worry about HIV. Please don't waste any more money, time or emotional energy on another test; you don't need it. Let me know if anything isn't clear.

HHH, MD
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48 months ago
Thank you so much for your reply and reassurance. I have been spending a lot of time on Dr. Google which has led me to deal with the anxiety of possibly being an outlier and ending up being that 1% that falls in the false negative that turns up positive later. I guess I also couldn’t accept my results as conclusive because I kept reading that 4th gen isn’t conclusive until 3 months. Is this true? That and the persistent dry cough that I am still dealing with,  the weeks long morning diarrhea I had and the swollen neck lymph nodes were my biggest concern as far as symptoms go. What do you think? 
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
48 months ago
"What do I think?" I remain convinced you cannot possibly have HIV. Don't go thinking there is a 1% chance you do. I gave several reasons other than your test results that you don't have it. And 3 months definitely is wrong for the AgAb (4th generation) HIV blood tests, which are conclusive by 6 weeks (and almost always accurate by 4 weeks).

And even though your test result is not quite conclusive for infection at 99%, it is conclusive in regard to symptoms:  it is not possible to have symptoms caused by HIV and have a negative antibody (or AgAb) test result. It is the immune response to HIV, not the virus itself, that causes all of its symptoms, thus not possible to have symptoms without detectable antibody. And as I already said, your symptom are not typical of HIV anyway. 

Don't overthink it:  all is well!
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48 months ago
Thank you so much doctor. You have no idea how much you have eased my mind. I do have a few other questions just that I was wondering based on my research and then I’m done for good. 

1. Should it be any concern that the swollen lymph nodes occurred about a week and a half after I was tested? As in that particular symptom wasn’t around when I tested negative. It appeared 7 weeks post exposure. If by the off chance it was an ARS symptom, would the test be a false negative since the symptom hadn’t occurred yet. 

2. Should the fact that I only have 2 small swollen lymph nodes make me worry less as it’s only in one area? I’ve had them for over 2 weeks now. 

3. Do ARS symptoms happen all at once and can they come and go or do they basically disappear around the same time? 

4. At times through this entire ordeal my skin would feel hot when I self checked but I didn’t feel feverish and didn’t have access to a thermometer. The hot feeling would usually disappear rather quickly so I didn’t assume it could be a fever. This also happened after testing. Is that a worry? 

5. Lastly,  is it possible for there to be a period between P24 antigen depleting and antibodies rising that neither one is detectable because both aren’t at high levels to be picked up by tests? 

Again thank you thank you thank you for your help and candidness. The work you do is amazing. 
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48 months ago
6. Last one for real: have you ever seen someone turn positive, 4 days shy of 6 weeks or a week shy of the CDC recommended 45 days?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
48 months ago
1. Self assessment of lymph node enlargement or inflammation by medically untrained is notoriously poor compared to professional evaluation. If that's what you have, you can still be confident that it's not due to HIV. I won's speculate on other possibilities, but will point out that nodes (or lumps that might mimic them) often are entirely normal in healthy people, especially in certain areas of the body, such as the groin and neck.

2. HIV related node issues always are body wide, i.e. several locations.

3. All at the same time, plus or minus maybe a week or so.

4. Almost certainly psychological.

5. No, not possible. There is online chatter about a "secondary window" between p24 antigen disappearance and detectable antibody. It's basically an urban myth. It is the antibody that clears p24 from the blood. Once p24 appears, p24 or antibody (briefly both) are detectable for the life of the infected person, no exceptions. 

6. No, I have never had such a patient in my personal experience, although we know it happens. It you think about it, this is an illogical question. Rare events happen independent of any particular physician's personal experience. To my knowledge, no patient of mine was ever struck by lightning, but that doesn't mean my patients (or those I counsel on this forum) are at lower risk of being struck than those of some other doctor! 

My final advice is that you stop searching about all this online. It seems clear that's what is generating much of your partial knowledge, uncertainties and fears. Anybody can post anything, and the internet is not a friend to most anxious persons who look for information related to those anxieties. The famous statistician Nate Silver (fivethirtyeight.com) wrote a book about public understanding of statistics, "The Signal and the Noise". In it he writes (approximate quote) "Give an anxious person a computer with an internet connection in a dark room, and soon he'll believe his cold is the bubonic plague." Sound familiar? I suggest laying off entirely -- or at least limit searching to professionally run websites and avoid those run by and for people with the problem at hand.

That completes the two follow-up exchanges included with each question and so ends this thread. I do hope the discussion has been helpful and you'll be able to relax about all this!
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