[Question #8239] Anal Herpes
47 months ago
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Hi there,
Situation: Been here before. I have chronic constipation (particularly bad lately), and a diagnosed IBD. I also have had HSV-2 anally for 5.5 years (13.2 IgG test). I rarely get outbreaks through the suppressive dosage, but it occasionally happens. I was off medication for a while and had an outbreak in August, but I have been back on suppressive medication since. I started experiencing bad anal pain about a week ago. Assuming it was another outbreak coming on, I have taken 2g daily the last 6 days. My symptoms have not abated, which is unusual for me. I saw a doctor and was examined, and they saw no signs of a hemorrhoids or any sort of herpetic lesion. They did think I may have a small anal fissure/tear from the straining, but even then, it was hard to tell. The anus looked more or less normal. She thought the fact that the medication wasn't providing relief after 6 days pointed away from an outbreak.
My partner is aware of my status and knows the risks involved. We were a little tipsy the other night, and we had oral sex (penile only) with one another. There was also instances where he masturbated me and then took his hand and masturbated himself.
The questions I have are essentially: is it common for someone with rare recurrent outbreaks that typically respond well to high dose Valtrex treatment to still have severe pain a week in, basically? Do you agree with the doctor that this is unlikely to be an outbreak, and that I can stop the treatment doses and return to my daily suppressive dose? If you disagree and think I was and potentially am still having an outbreak, what level of Oral HSV-2 risk did he take from giving me oral sex, and could his hand masturbating me and then himself cause it to spread to his penis? My penis itself has no lesions and never has. Does the fact that I was taking Valtrex 2g for days before this lower the chances I was shedding on my penis, even if the (potential) anal outbreak (internal?) is still ongoing?
47 months ago
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I also just wanted to add that the small fissure appears to be around the 6 o'clock area (along the posterior midline), and is not lateral in nature. Having self-examined myself tonight, I also do not see any clear evidence of a herpetic lesions. So I guess it boils down to what is more likely: the severe constipation causing an anal fissure that has not healed in approximately a week so far, or a recurrent HSV2 outbreak displaying as an anal fissure along the posterior midline (and potentially internal and not visible with the naked eye) that has not responded to about 6 days worth of high-dose Valtrex (1g/2 times a day).
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
47 months ago
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No, I doubt that your pain has anything to do with herpes this time. I think you can return to your regular dose now. I am not concerned about hand to penis transmission no. And your dosing definitely reduces any small risk that might be there. I think your symptoms are likely due to hard stools and not herpes.
Terri
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47 months ago
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Thanks, Terri. Given I'm still having some of the pain almost two weeks after it started, I think it's fairly safe to agree with you and assume this isn't an outbreak of any variety. And it's now been 10 days without any symptoms appearing on my partner, so while the window remains "open", the likelihood is high we'd have seen something by now if we were going to. Since I still have some follow-ups, I figured I'd ask a few questions generally about it all, if that is permissible:
1.) Having never had an outbreak on the penis and knowing the low likelihood of oral HSV2, do you consider unprotected oral sex safe? What about if my partner performed unprotected analingis orally on me (again assuming no outbreak was present, but it is where my primary outbreak took place)? Still fairly safe (albeit it always carrying some degree of risk, as any activity ultimately does in my case)?
2.) Have you in your research or practice found any connection between genital HSV-2 and constipation and/or nerve pain? I know some studies (on animals, on the case of constipation) have linked to it. I'm an odd case of a diagnosed IBD, which would normally display as chronic diarrhea but in my case actually seems to be the opposite where I am chronically constipated, all of which seems to have started around the time of HSV acquisition. I used to also get nerve pain down my left leg and pain in my lower back/tailbone region. I don't know if I should attribute it to the HSV or not.
3.) My partner and I have been together for over 4 years, and we've largely stopped using condoms during sex (still on Valtrex for suppression and both understanding of the risk we take with that decision). He has shown no signs of HSV-2, and he will get tested now and again to see if he's developed the antibodies for an asymptomatic infection. Does the fact I am on suppressive meds (and maybe that I've had it for several years now?) change how he would present with the virus if he were to become infected? Is he more likely to be asymptomatic or show mild symptoms with me on suppression, or does that not necessarily play a role? I know my original outbreak was quite severe and caused many problems (urinary retention, etc.), so I'm just curious how he could present IF he ever does and what plays the biggest role there (strain of HSV, his immune system and genetics, my suppressive dosage, etc.).
Thanks again! You guys are a wonderful help and resource here.
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Terri Warren, RN, Nurse Practitioner
47 months ago
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I would agree that it would be very unlikely to have continuing herpes pain for almost two weeks, yes.
Do you mean you giving oral sex or receiving oral sex? If receiving, I would agree that the risk is low but definitely not zero.That applies to both your penis and your anus.
The only connection I have ever seen between constipation and herpes is during first infection, sometimes the nerves are so traumatized, we see people not being able to poop or pee. I don't see that with recurrent disease.
I don't think we know for sure the answer to your question about the presentation on him being dependent on the amount of virus he would get with a new infection, which would likely be less with you on suppression. I will say that if he has HSV 1 already and acquires HSV 2, he will likely have a milder first infection.
Terri
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