[Question #8728] Recurrent neurological issues - FTAAB -ve

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40 months ago

I am 60 yrs and have one risky exposure about 10yrs ago in 2010.  All the early STD tests came normal couple weeks after that incident. Hence resumed normal sexual life with the spouse. However, I used to get recurrent urethral burning and testicular pain after the incident, for which I was visiting urologists. I had been treated with multiple antibiotics like Cipro, Zithromax and numerous times with doxycycline.

 

In 2013, 3 yrs after the incident, noticed an unusual sore formed on the foreskin and treated with penicillin if in case it was syphilis for both of us without any tests conducted.  18 mo after this issue, FTA-ABS syphilis test came negative.

 

In 2017 for continued urethral burning issue, my PCP ordered FTA-ABS and RPR blood tests and FTA-ABS came REACTIVE with -ve RPR.  Ten days later a repeated FTA-ABS along with the syphilis screening test were negative from LabCorp. 

 

Few months after this episode, started to have unusual stiff neck, headache, ear and eye pain and continues.  Also having sensations of burning soles of the feet and a recurrent postnasal drip.  My sinuses were normal at ENT’s CT scans and postnasal drip does not respond to antihistamines or steroid sprays.

 

 Eye vision degrades somewhat with double vision at times and sometimes ringing noises in the ears, headache, tight neck and confusion. A recent FTA-ABS and RPR both -ve.

Here are my questions

1.   Are these symptoms related to a possible neurosyphilis?

2.     Continued to have flareup of urethral discomfort, testicular pain with prostatitis.

3. My worst worry is if this Syphilis had spread to neurological in the initial years before any treatment, but the subsequent antibiotics treated non-neuro part so the blood tests are showing -ve.  Worried all these neurological symptoms are related to neuro-syphilis? Please advise me with the next action plan. Thank you so much.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
40 months ago
Welcome back to the forum, but I'm afraid my reply is going to disappoint you. I read your discussion almost 4 years ago and agree entirely with Dr. Hook's opinions and advice. And his closing comment was to advise that his and my knowledge, understanding, and advice never are significantly different from one another's. And I don't see any new information in your current question than last time, except for your cotninuing symptoms, which are not suggestive of neurosyphils. Hence only succinct replies to your current questions:

1. No, these symptoms do not suggest neurosyphilis -- and we know from your test results you do not have syphilis and never did.

2. Prostate gland enlargement, symtpoms of overactive bladder, and nonspecific testicular pain are increasingly common in men your age. None are caused by syphilis or neurosyphilis. If you have not seen a urologist, that would be a logical step.

3. Successful antibiotic treatment against syphilils can make RPR and related ("nontreponemal") blood tests negative, but they do not convert the confirmatory ("treponemal") antibody tests like FTA-ABS to negative. Despite your intial false-positive FTA-ABS, the later negative results prove you do not have syphils and never did.

Accordingly, I have no other "action plan" to suggest in regard to syphilis. I might have suggested a repeat FTA-ABS test, not because I believe there is any chance you actually have syphilis, but to help convince you of the fact. But you have already done that ("A recent FTA-ABS and RPR both -ve") and there is no point in doing it yet again. Do your best to dismiss syphilis from your mind and keep working with your doctors about any symptoms you have (or that you may develop in the future).

Best regards--   HHH, MD
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40 months ago

This issue is lingering in my mind from time to time because of the following unjustifiable events.

1.     There is some unusual flat sore on the foreskin which came up in 2013, has no justifying answer to it. Never happened such a thing in the life in such a location. Even experienced ID doctor suspected it could be syphilis sore. On 4th day of the appearance of the sore, he ordered RPR which came -ve. Unfortunately, took the antibiotic without further complete diagnosis. 

2.     Subsequently a year and half later to that, the FTA-ABS was -ve, which assured me.

3.     In 2017, a positive FTA-ABS is another thing that triggered in my mind, later cooled down after re-test.

4.     Just summarize at one place, for the 4 to 5 years I have the following issues. Tight or stiff neck, headache, unspecified facial pain (varies time to time), recurrent ear and eye pain without a reason, confusion, tiredness, spontaneous frontal pain and connected postnasal drip that does not respond to antihistamines/steroids (infact, more headache using them), double vision in the eyes, frequent ringing sounds in the ears. There is no clear diagnosis so far and very pronounced nowadays.

5.     For the continuing neurological disorders and unresolved issues from the experienced ENTs/neurologists, is another reason to have this doubt in my mind and seeking your invaluable advice.  I would be very happy if I don’t have neuro-syphilis, but how would I be certain. I apologize if these questions are irritable but hope you don’t get me wrong. What would you suggest for my next action plan?

I am very grateful for your kind help. Thank you so much.

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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
40 months ago
These comments do not change anything. You can be certain because of your test results. And the symptoms you describe have numerous potential causes other than syphilis. Many of them sound typical for anxiety, stress or other psychological origin. The only “action plan” I can suggest is to keep working with your personal health professionals about explanations other than syphilis. I’m sorry, but this forum simply cannot help you any further. Goodbye and good luck.---
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