[Question #8796] Help do I need retesting DR HHH
39 months ago
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Hello. I am a female who had receptive vaginal sex with a man I knew but did not ask his hiv status at the time. Shortly after sex, about 3 weeks or so, I experienced ARS symptoms but did not realize I was even sick (didn’t feel sick at all), I had night sweats, appetite and weight loss, some fatigue, and a brief sore throat. I do not know if I had a fever but I did not have lymph swelling, rash, or GI upset. I did not realize anything could be wrong until I got on google and read about HIV 3 weeks later. Well that freaked me out so I went to my gyno and found out I had BV. I was tested for syphillis, clamidhya, gonnerhhea, Trichonomasis, and HIV 1/2. All were negative at 6 weeks, the HIV 1/2 test was an 3rd gen antibodies test and the syphillis was RPR. Negative. During this time I didn’t notice anything off, and also the man I had sex with tested NEGATIVE 8 weeks after our encounter with a 4TH generation test. Then I retook my RPR test and HIV ab 1/2 test at 14 weeks and it was NEGATIVE. I was curious what caused the initial “flu like illness” so I went to my regular doctor and was tested for EBV a and CMV a and CMV came back as IGG reactive meaning I had just caught it. I contributed that to my initial illness since it can stay reactive for months after, But then symptoms started to show up. I developed a uti, then I started to have muscle numbness and weakness which I went to the hospital for and was diagnosed with low sodium and low chloride but looking back now it looks like peripheral neuropathy. I have completed recovered since then. Anyway, I have developed a rash now that is similar to Pityriasis lichenodes which I know cmv can cause. After the rash, a couple weeks after taking macraboid antibiotics for UTI, I developed oral thrush. Real oral thrush which I was given nystatin for. The uti came back, and I was given more antibiotics onwhich made me have diarrhea and some nausea and light puking. Looking back now I wonder if it was caused by seroconversion.
39 months ago
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I also developed a hemrroid, guessing from the diarrhea from antibiotic. I have had mouth sores (I always get them but now it’s scaring me) I also have swollen nodes in my neck and random aches and pains along with this, I forgot to mention before I had ars symptoms I missed my period (maybe because of the plan B I had taken that month?) The man I slept with tested negative via oraquick just recently at 5 months and is testing again this month. My question is can cmv cause all of this? Is there another explanation? Do I need to test again?
39 months ago
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So to reiterate, I had a negative hiv 1/2 AB test blood drawn on both 6 weeks and 14 weeks after exposure. The man I was with had a negative 4th gen hiv ab/ag test at 8 weeks after I saw him, then a negative oraquick at 5 months. Is retesting needed
39 months ago
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Another thing I forgot to mention before it cut me off ( so sorry!) was that I have not seen him since or had risky sex since. He also did not ejaculate inside of me but I know that doesn’t matter.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
39 months ago
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Welcome to our forum. Thanks for your questions. I suspect you are aware that Dr. Handsfield and I share the Forum, Having worked together for nearly 40 years. While our verbal styles differ somewhat, factual content of the information we provide is identical. On this occasion I happened to pick up your questions and will be answering.
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I appreciate your detailed history of exposure as well as information on your and your partner’s testing. I can say unequivocably that you do not have HIV from the exposure that you have described. The flu like illness which you had about three weeks after your encounter of concern was due to something other than HIV, possibly the CMV infection that you described although I should warn you that blood tests for CMV, while useful for diagnosing past or present infections, are notoriously inaccurate for determining determining whether the infection is recent or not.
The symptoms you describe really do not match with those of the ARS. Typical ARS symptoms always include high fever, severe sore throat, and generalized muscle and joint aches as well is occasionally, a rash or diarrhea – all occurring at about the same time. The ARS occurs as a person’s body begins to fight the HIV infection and produce antibodies. As a result, fourth generation HIV tests are virtually always positive during the ARS and 3rd generation, HIV antibody only tests (third-generation) become positive soon after the symptoms occur. Both your six week and your 14 week tests provide proof that your flu like illness was not the ARS. In addition antibody tests taken anytime more than eight weeks after an exposure are also conclusive. Thus, your 14 week test results also conclusively prove that you did not acquire HIV from the encounter you described.
In addition, careful scientific studies of persons who are at risk for HIV and experience flu like illnesses have shown that these flulike symptoms are due to something other than HIV about 99% of the time. Other causes of flu like symptoms include influenza, COVID-19, CMV, and a long, long list of every day viral illnesses that most people experience from time to time.
Finally, you cannot acquire HIV from a person who’s HIV antibody test is negative. While the Oraquick test is our least favorite test for HIV, it still performs quite well and the fact that your partner had a negative Oraquick is still further evidence that you did not acquire HIV from the encounter you described.
You can be entirely confident that you did not acquire HIV from the encounter you described the above. There is no reason for continuing concern, nor is there any reason for further testing.
I hope this information is helpful to you. If there are additional questions or any part of my response is unclear, please don’t hesitate to use Europe to to follow-ups for clarification. Take care. EWH
39 months ago
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Thank you so much doctor. I have to ask, if someone is seroconverting during their fourth gen test, will there be a time period where there is no antigen or antibody and therefore a false negative? Also, can lymph nodes swell without a particular reason? Is RPR a good test for syphillis? Thanks so much.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
39 months ago
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Good questions. I presume your questions regard whether or not a person experiencing the ARS can still have a negative test. The answer is yes but this is very very rare, More importantly, your negative test at 14 weeks however completely overrules any possibility that you were experiencing the ARS and the infection was missed. Your results are absolutely conclusive. I urge you to believe your test results.
Lymph node swelling is a non-specific reaction to inflammation. Lymph nodes swell due to any variety of courses including sore throats, fungal skin infections, or trauma. Lymph node swelling is in no way specific for HIV infection.
Yes, the RPR is an excellent screening test for Syphilis. You can believe your RPR test results as well. EWH
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39 months ago
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Thank you so much for your replies and your time. I have a couple more questions just bothering me. Is sereconversion the same as ARS? And the man I was with also had a negative blood drawn fourth gen test 8 weeks after I saw him, besides my 14 week 3rd gen test, that should prove I’m in the clear right? I am still having lymph swelling in my neck that is scaring me. Also, Is it normal to be able to feel your groin lymph nodes? Mine feel like small peas. I read somewhere that was normal in thin people. Thanks so much!
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
39 months ago
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The IRS occurs in some but not all persons require HIV. The letters ARS stand for acute retroviral syndrome which is meant to describe the symptoms that I listed above which occur in some, but not all person to acquire HIV.
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Yes I have already indicated, your partner’s tests prove that you were not exposed to HIV and your own test prove that you did not acquire infection. There is no doubt whatsoever that you did not acquire HIV. Further testing and further worry about that possibility is a waste of time. You are in the clear.
As I have already mentioned, lymph nodes which can be felt are absolutely normal and nonspecific. It is normal to be able to feel lymph nodes in your neck and in your groin. Once again, let me assure you that you do not have HIV from exposure you have described.
We provide up to three responses to each clients questions. This is the third response. Thus this thread will be closed shortly. There will be no further responses to additional questions. Please don’t worry. EWH